Ashamed to be British?

freddie1105 said:
i too remember that quote. it's relevence?
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Blackstones principle, although it is hardly his own.

It means the preservation of innocence is more important to society as a whole than the punishment of guilt.

One of the founding principles of Anglo Saxon legal thinking.
 
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NPeteN said:
Blackstones principle, although it is hardly his own.

It means the preservation of innocence is more important to society as a whole than the punishment of guilt.

One of the founding principles of Anglo Saxon legal thinking.
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agreed. but did you have to answer for him? lol
 
oldmikew said:
www.theguardian.com

Former England boxer Kelvin Bilal Fawaz wins 16-year battle to stay in UK

Fawaz, who was trafficked to the UK from Nigeria when he was a child, won his Home Office appeal last week
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Easy to wag a finger at whoever works in the Home Office but surely we Brits are not supposed to be so arbitrary and lacking in humanity, nor should our officials be
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I think the British sense of 'fair play' is legion, but I do think we're beginning to lose a few fingers to those we have fed...
 
cjandme said:
This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.
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I too remember the Lord Cheif Justice Bill Deedes making that quote, the same principle applies today as it did then.
 
cjandme said:
This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.
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Whilst I can buy into that sentiment wholesale... Our legal system (available to all) is set up so no-one should be: 'without the resources to defend yourself adequately'
Throw in some very high profile instances of previous offenders 'going free' and committing some quite heinous acts, and it gets awfully hard to try and think 'the right thing' all the time..
 
Bernhard said:
I too remember the Lord Cheif Justice Bill Deedes making that quote, the same principle applies today as it did then
P.S. look up the Wikipedia trial of the Balcombe Street siege, were 4 members of the Provisional IRA were having a stand off with the London police just as the conviction of the Guildford 4 were convicted.
All because a few good men ....... did nothing.
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cjandme said:
This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.
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That’s a good point, and certainly one that provokes thought.

However, just to play devils advocate for a moment....

If the 100 guilty that go free are all habitual offenders and each of them go on to commitment multiple heinous crimes... do we still agree that it is ‘better’...
 
It's hard to reply without going back to the ultimate: Capital punishment/Murder scenario.
We always mention 'innocent' when talking about the perpetrator.. Yet other 'innocents' should be considered, no? Can you imagine the impact of losing a Mother/Father on young children? Sadly it isn't only the poor sod in the casket who is a 'victim'.. many more suffer in the fallout of most crimes...
 
EstuaryBoy said:
It's hard to reply without going back to the ultimate: Capital punishment/Murder scenario.
We always mention 'innocent' when talking about the perpetrator.. Yet other 'innocents' should be considered, no? Can you imagine the impact of losing a Mother/Father on young children? Sadly it isn't only the poor sod in the casket who is a 'victim'.. many more suffer in the fallout of most crimes...
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No law is perfect, if it was we wouldn't have this problem.
 
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