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Nope
Blasphemy, it's all Eddies fault!!!
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Do they put detonators on the roads in Oxfordshire???

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Railway detonator / fog signal - box of 10

Supplied in boxes of 10. Otherwise known as fog signals, these are small explosive devices used to warn drivers to stop immediately as a major hazard is further up the track. On trains, approximately twelve detonators are usually carried in a secure location in the driver's cab. They have an...
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EstuaryBoy said:
Do they put detonators on the roads in Oxfordshire???

therailwayshop.co.uk

Railway detonator / fog signal - box of 10

Supplied in boxes of 10. Otherwise known as fog signals, these are small explosive devices used to warn drivers to stop immediately as a major hazard is further up the track. On trains, approximately twelve detonators are usually carried in a secure location in the driver's cab. They have an...
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Yes
That's exactly what they do!!
 
GLOBAL WARMING UPDATE

If CO2 (FOSSIL FUEL) causes global warming, and we have the highest C02 levels in centuries today - Why has Hyderabad in India just had its coldest October in 54 years ?

Perhaps the weather is just cyclical
SEE BELOW👇

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Winter yet to begin but Hyderabad sees coldest October in 54 years | Hyderabad News - Times of India

Though officially winter is yet to set in the state, this October has been the coldest in Hyderabad in the last 54 years with temperature dropping to
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Re: Fossil Fuel Ban...
If ‘Global warming is real and happening now’ - how is it possible that the hottest 28th October recorded in New York’s Central Park was 103 years ago back in 1919 when CO2 was at 303ppm ?


https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=okx
 

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US Route 50 goes basically coast to coast. One end is Ocean City, MD and the other is Sacramento, CA. I used to use it in Arlington and Fairfax counties when I still went to my office. On a sunny 95-degree Virginia day, my car would report the temperature at 115-125 depending on the time of day and as soon as I got off Rt 50, it would drop to 95.

That road is 3073 miles long and at least two lanes but in some areas eight or more lanes wide and mostly asphalt. Forget cow farts and the like - that road alone heats the environment along with millions of exhaust pipes using it daily. This country has lots of 2000 to 3000 miles long roads.

Somewhere between the climate left and right radicals is the truth.

In the early 70s the left and right radicals were waring over pollution controls and leaded gas. I like many thought the government was going overboard with their clean air requirements for cars. At the time, I was a copier technician. In late summer the air in DC was terrible and I often walked from my car to the customer locations holding my tie over my mouth and nose to breath. Today, the smog is gone even though there are AT LEAST twice as many cars in the area. I still think the car companies could have achieved the result without so much interference, but the air is clean.

Climate change is a fact. Global Warming is a fact. Is it or does it have to be doom and gloom - nope - will people do anything about it without being forced - probably not :(
 
marshg246 said:
US Route 50 goes basically coast to coast. One end is Ocean City, MD and the other is Sacramento, CA. I used to use it in Arlington and Fairfax counties when I still went to my office. On a sunny 95-degree Virginia day, my car would report the temperature at 115-125 depending on the time of day and as soon as I got off Rt 50, it would drop to 95.

That road is 3073 miles long and at least two lanes but in some areas eight or more lanes wide and mostly asphalt. Forget cow farts and the like - that road alone heats the environment along with millions of exhaust pipes using it daily. This country has lots of 2000 to 3000 miles long roads.

Somewhere between the climate left and right radicals is the truth.

In the early 70s the left and right radicals were waring over pollution controls and leaded gas. I like many thought the government was going overboard with their clean air requirements for cars. At the time, I was a copier technician. In late summer the air in DC was terrible and I often walked from my car to the customer locations holding my tie over my mouth and nose to breath. Today, the smog is gone even though there are AT LEAST twice as many cars in the area. I still think the car companies could have achieved the result without so much interference, but the air is clean.

Climate change is a fact. Global Warming is a fact. Is it or does it have to be doom and gloom - nope - will people do anything about it without being forced - probably not :(
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Yes the automotive industry have made significant improvements to emissions over the last few decades to reduce smog .....let's just hope the owners of the farms that feed our nations people are not thrown off their land because of nitrogen fertilizer levels and or cow fart emissions ...Unless reconstituted meat etc is tempting to your palette
Agree....The Truth is always in the middle between the two main factions :)
 
I find it curious that the global warming alarmists cannot substantiate their claims of warming anymore, and have been forced to resort to "climate change" hysteria. Yet they continue to harp on reducing CO2 as the means to "control" climate change.

FACT: the theory that CO2 raises atmospheric temperature came from an experiment conducted decades ago by researchers who irradiated a glass box with a lid on it, and found the temperature of the air inside the box rose to some elevated temperature (common greenhouse effect).They then admitted a small amount of CO2, and found the temperature to rise further. From this, they then declared increasing CO2 in the earth's atmosphere will raise atmospheric temperature. This theory, to be true for the earth's atmosphere , requires the earth's atmosphere to behave like a glass box with a lid on it. Lately, more and more scientists expert in thermodynamics, myself included, are calling this assumption to be invalid. End of fact

From the recorded history of the past several millenia, the earth's temperature has been cycling every 500 years, or so. Could this be attributed to the heavy outer planets aligning themselves on one side of the solar system, and tugging the earth's orbit a little nearer or further from the sun depending on the location of the earth relative to the gathering of heavy planets? If so, we are deluding ourselves to think we can nullify climate change, especially by targeting CO2.

A high school student, and a computer program that can model the position of the planets in the solar system for any date past or present, can test the hypothesis above.

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I find it curious that the global warming alarmists cannot substantiate their claims of warming anymore, and have been forced to resort to "climate change" hysteria. Yet they continue to harp on reducing CO2 as the means to "control" climate change.

FACT: the theory that CO2 raises atmospheric temperature came from an experiment conducted decades ago by researchers who irradiated a glass box with a lid on it, and found the temperature of the air inside the box rose to some elevated temperature (common greenhouse effect).They then admitted a small amount of CO2, and found the temperature to rise further. From this, they then declared increasing CO2 in the earth's atmosphere will raise atmospheric temperature. This theory, to be true for the earth's atmosphere , requires the earth's atmosphere to behave like a glass box with a lid on it. Lately, more and more scientists expert in thermodynamics, myself included, are calling this assumption to be invalid. End of fact

From the recorded history of the past several millenia, the earth's temperature has been cycling every 500 years, or so. Could this be attributed to the heavy outer planets aligning themselves on one side of the solar system, and tugging the earth's orbit a little nearer or further from the sun depending on the location of the earth relative to the gathering of heavy planets? If so, we are deluding ourselves to think we can nullify climate change, especially by targeting CO2.

A high school student, and a computer program that can model the position of the planets in the solar system for any date past or present, can test the hypothesis above.

Slick
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Earth's Population in 1522 was approximately 400-500 million
Earth's Population in 2022 is approximately 8000 million

Fact: Venus has runaway global warming. Fact: The "blanket" around Venus is over 96% Carbon Dioxide. That said, it's not only CO2 emissions on Earth, but also methane and others that cause heating;
and smoke, volcanos and other things that cause cooling and of course, heat loss to space.

Yes, there are temperature cycles which the evidence shows are becoming more severe. Not sure where you found documentation written in real-time over the past several thousand years! The last (mini) ice age ended when the smoke started to clear after a couple of centuries of heavy population growth and burning all kinds of things to keep warm and run machines. The last real ice age is disputed, but generally considered to be about 20,000 years ago.

I'm neither left or right radical on anything. I do not know for myself if global warming or any other climate change, over the long term, is real. I do have personal knowledge that this country has had climate change while I've been alive. Ask someone in Michigan about the "snow line". Visit Glacier National Park. Measure the distance between my condo in Ocean City, MD and the average water line over the past 22 years.
 
Even one of the founders of Geeenpeace, Patrick Moore, has come out against the C02 caused warming theory. Plus he points out the C02 is what all trees, crops, plants, etc need in order to grow. He’s very strong on the point that C02 is not a poison, it is in fact a very fundamental requirement for life on earth and the case for it being the cause of warming is very tenuous indeed and certainly not the irrefutable fact we are led to believe.
 
KiwiShane said:
CALGARY
Record breaking snowfall since 1939
Published Oct. 25, 2022
calgary.ctvnews.ca

Record snowfall in Calgary over the weekend

After an unseasonably warm start to the fall, Calgary saw a record-breaking dump of snow over the weekend.
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In the same way that a few days of hot weather this summer in the UK does not prove the Climate is warming too fast then a record snowfall event does not prove the opposite either.

Climate is changes over a much longer period than a few days, a single or string of flooding events etc, this is currently taken as being 30 years. But as some of the cycles are much longer even that is considered too short a period.

The real takeaway is the output of the climate models predicted changes in Global temps vs the actual recorded, when you review these you see that the models bar 1 all predict higher temps than the final measured temps. The reason for this is an overstated CO2 climate sensitivity within the models, they assume that as well as the small amount of warming the increase in CO2 is giving is amplified by positive feedbacks. So the hypothesis is wrong as the outputs do not match real data. If you rerun the Climate models with a climate sensitivity calculated by real temperatures over the last 30 years you get a gentle warming of another 1 to 1.5C until the effect of increasing CO2 saturates as it logarithmic eg becomes virtually nil, then very little warming. Going from 280 ppm (end of little ice age) to 560 ppm CO2 gives the same warming as 560 ppm to 1120 ppm, as does 1120 ppm to 2240 ppm.

This is hidden down in the IPCC scientific chapters and is completely ignored in the Summary for Policymakers

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High end of climate sensitivity in new climate models seen as less plausible - High Meadows Environmental Institute

A recent analysis of the latest generation of climate models — known as a CMIP6 — provides a cautionary tale on interpreting climate simulations as scientists develop more sensitive and sophisticated projections of how the Earth will respond to increasing…
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www.science.org

Use of ‘too hot’ climate models exaggerates impacts of global warming

U.N. report authors say researchers should avoid suspect models
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Whether or not climate change is real or caused by humans is certainly open for debate. What is certain, however, is that the US Federal government spending trillions of dollars to change the climate will accomplish absolutely nothing more than further enriching the elite class who actually run the country. Probably also goes for other governments around the globe.
 
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Whether or not climate change is real or caused by humans is certainly open for debate. What is certain, however, is that the US Federal government spending trillions of dollars to change the climate will accomplish absolutely nothing more than further enriching the elite class who actually run the country. Probably also goes for other governments around the globe.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
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Really? I have pictures... Worst case is a masonry chimney which acts as a wind tunnel, temps of the burning creosote rocket upward and the chimney with it thereby igniting the surrounding woodwork. Most houses in the USA are wooden. The sound
alone of a chimney fire makes a 747 sound docile. It might just burn itself out but then the clay tile liner will likely be cracked just
waiting to leak and yes, burn down your house.
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I had a chimney fire in a house I rented once. An old unlined fireplace rock chimney with a piece of sheet aluminum across the bottom and an air tight wood stove piped into it. I opened the stove door to feed it before going to bed and the fun started. As you said, sounds like a 747 taking off. The fire dept. came, got up on the roof with an old flat iron on a chain and started knocking the burning creosote down into the fireplace. Two guys at the bottom shoveled the stuff out of the fireplace into a bucket and took it outside. The chimney was never as clean as it was after the fire. One thing they pointed out as they left was that the walls surrounding the chimney would get warmer before they got any cooler and to keep an eye on things till then. Made for a sleepless night for sure.
 
THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF GREEN ENERGY

Four times a week on average, a e-bike or e-scooter battery catches fire in New York City.

"These bikes when they fail, they fail like a blowtorch," said Dan Flynn, the chief fire marshal at the New York Fire Department. "We've seen incidents where people have described them as explosive — incidents where they actually have so much power, they're actually blowing walls down in between rooms and apartments."

As of Friday, the FDNY investigated 174 battery fires, putting 2022 on track to double the number of fires that occurred last year (104) and quadruple the number from 2020 (44).

So far this year, six people have died in e-bike-related fires and 93 people were injured. 👇


And we have these clownshows that want to electrify everything to ‘protect’ people from climate change.🤔

How many people should allow to be burnt to death under the delusion that we are ‘saving them’ from climate change ?
 

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👀LOOKING BACK 👀 DOWN UNDER

Today the ‘globally warmed’ Sydney hit a maximum of 22°C (77.6°F) But eighty six years ago, on the 5th November, 1936 (when the climate was supposedly (‘safe & stable’) Sydney hit
36°C (97.1°F)
The Newcastle district was ringed by bushfires as Maitland hit 100°F and there were serious fires in the Blue Mountains. 🔥

CO2 levels back in 1936 were 310ppm - today 416ppm.

If you think CO2 works like a control knob for bad weather, I have a Harbour Bridge to sell you.🙃

👇👇
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The Newcastle Sun (NSW : 1918 - 1954) - 5 Nov 1936 - p11

95 DEGREES; SUICIDED IN SHOP; District Ringed By Bush Fires; N.Z. Welcomes Mrs. Freer; LT. DEWAR SILENT; G. O. ALLEN IS RATHER DISAPPOINTED; MRS. FREER'S DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS; DISCUSSION IN HOUSE; LYONS MAY DECIDE; 100 Decrees at Maitland; HOUSES OF STRAW!; HEAT THROUGHOUT THE STATE; FIRES AT...
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KiwiShane said:
THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF GREEN ENERGY

Four times a week on average, a e-bike or e-scooter battery catches fire in New York City.

"These bikes when they fail, they fail like a blowtorch," said Dan Flynn, the chief fire marshal at the New York Fire Department. "We've seen incidents where people have described them as explosive — incidents where they actually have so much power, they're actually blowing walls down in between rooms and apartments."

As of Friday, the FDNY investigated 174 battery fires, putting 2022 on track to double the number of fires that occurred last year (104) and quadruple the number from 2020 (44).

So far this year, six people have died in e-bike-related fires and 93 people were injured. 👇


And we have these clownshows that want to electrify everything to ‘protect’ people from climate change.🤔

How many people should allow to be burnt to death under the delusion that we are ‘saving them’ from climate change ?
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Here's the deal with these bikes.
They are used almost exclusively as work bikes by low income delivery workers, are poorly maintained and often kept indoors (illegally).
Imagine 15 dirty, overheated and damaged batteries piled on top of one another in a small room inside a shared apartment. Would you keep 15 full gas cans inside you're apartment?

I think electric bikes are silly because they are not replacing "dirty" cars, but regular human powered bicycles.

By the way, cars kill close to 300 people a year in NYC.... But that's not the agenda you're pushing is it?
 
NPeteN said:
Here's the deal with these bikes.
They are used almost exclusively as work bikes by low income delivery workers, are poorly maintained and often kept indoors (illegally).
Imagine 15 dirty, overheated and damaged batteries piled on top of one another in a small room inside a shared apartment. Would you keep 15 full gas cans inside you're apartment?

I think electric bikes are silly because they are not replacing "dirty" cars, but regular human powered bicycles.

By the way, cars kill close to 300 people a year in NYC.... But that's not the agenda you're pushing is it?
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We may have a few gerry cans ...soon we will be lucky to fill them...
 
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