2030 fossil fuel ban costs in the UK

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Control of information is not new. It has been going on since the Dawn of Time. If you know what the facts are and if the others do not then you have a major leg up.
Teaching critical thinking does not make it easier for you or your team to run the shop. A docile compliant population is a politicians dream. I used to believe we get the government we voted for. Now I realize voting is usually for one of two people you do not want. Or in the UK right now, a PM who nobody actually voted for or wants. Hate to use specific examples but that is what we have.
 
Onder said:
Control of information is not new. It has been going on since the Dawn of Time. If you know what the facts are and if the others do not then you have a major leg up.
Teaching critical thinking does not make it easier for you or your team to run the shop. A docile compliant population is a politicians dream. I used to believe we get the government we voted for. Now I realize voting is usually for one of two people you do not want. Or in the UK right now, a PM who nobody actually voted for or wants. Hate to use specific examples but that is what we have.
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I can remember as a teen watching a documentary about ww1 and one of the things they were talking about was the press propaganda
Apparently the men returning from the war were shocked when they read the total lies the press had been spouting
A slightly similar thing happened to me in the early 80s
I used to attend the stone henge free music festival
an old boy at work showed me a copy of the daily mail with a whole list of stuff we were supposedly doing
I asked if he believed it ,he said "yes it's in the paper"
I have never bought a newspaper in my life
 
I also used to attend the Stone Henge music festival in the early
1980s. I spent the whole time there doing exceeding naughty
things, as did my mates. Sadly many of my mates are no longer
with us as they continued that lifestyle.

Agree with you the Daily Mail is a s**t news paper then and now
 
Staytite said:
I also used to attend the Stone Henge music festival in the early
1980s. I spent the whole time there doing exceeding naughty
things, as did my mates. Sadly many of my mates are no longer
with us as they continued that lifestyle.

Agree with you the Daily Mail is a s**t news paper then and now
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I went from 81 up until 85 when the police beat up the convoy
Saw the ruts ,hawkwind,misty n roots can't remember who else
The police on the gate were great in the earlier years
4 coppers and a 100,000 people!!
Had some great times there
 
When I was at primary school in the 70s they told us that we need to limit the use of paper to save the trees from deforestation and that was the theory at the time..deffiently had merit...the powers at be...decided to use more plastic as a alternative to save the trees....in all.. a short minded solution
to a now existing problem of pollution
Banning plastic was a starting point now they are gunning directly for our petroleum powered vehicles ...whats next your BBQ :)

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Plastic bags were created to save the planet, according to son of engineer who first created them

‘To my dad, the idea that people would simply throw these away would be bizarre,’ claims Raoul Thulin
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12% of UK electricity comes from burning wood. The wood is primarily harvested here in Canada in my home Province of B.C. It is converted into pellets here ( highly polluting process) shipped to the UK ( more pollution) then burned ( much more pollution) to to create electricity for electric cars ( clean- well not really but zero emission in name)
This is all done under the heading of " renewable energy" and carbon credits are given based on some very circular logic. For every tree that is burned a new tree is planted. The carbon credits are given on a basis that the new tree will reduce carbon for 50 years. The problem is that the burned tree is gone in seconds, adding to the immediate problem of Global Warming, while the newly planted tree needs 50 years to sequester the equivalent carbon created by the burned tree.
A UK firm has tied up 70% of all the wood pellet production in BC along with multi-year leases to harvest ever more wood.
Its a crazy plan, let's all burn wood to run our clean Teslas.
It would be laughable except it is actually happening right now.

Glen
 
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12% of UK electricity comes from burning wood. The wood is primarily harvested here in Canada in my home Province of B.C. It is converted into pellets here ( highly polluting process) shipped to the UK ( more pollution) then burned ( much more pollution) to to create electricity for electric cars ( clean- well not really but zero emission in name)
This is all done under the heading of " renewable energy" and carbon credits are given based on some very circular logic. For every tree that is burned a new tree is planted. The carbon credits are given on a basis that the new tree will reduce carbon for 50 years. The problem is that the burned tree is gone in seconds, adding to the immediate problem of Global Warming, while the newly planted tree needs 50 years to sequester the equivalent carbon created by the burned tree.
A UK firm has tied up 70% of all the wood pellet production in BC along with multi-year leases to harvest ever more wood.
Its a crazy plan, let's all burn wood to run our clean Teslas.
It would be laughable except it is actually happening right now.

Glen
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Whilst I understand the basic idea of renewable energy, ie it only emits the carbon it had absorbed, and so is carbon neutral, I still don’t really get it. Carbon is carbon right? If you emit 1000 tons of carbon, the environment does not care if it came from a ‘neutral‘ source or not does it?

It seems illogical to me to cut down carbon absorbing trees to burn in the name of reducing carbon. Surely we’d be better off leaving the trees alone (to keep absorbing), and burning other carbon sources ?!

I also had a realisation when looking at the ‘just stop oil‘ morons here in the U.K. recently. Firstly, their aim is impossible without causing untold death and suffering (given our current technology). But imagine for a moment that we DID stop oil and gas use tomorrow… how would people heat and cook? They’d burn wood... Lots of it… And there wouldn‘t be a freakin’ tree left standing in the world within 5 years. THEN we’d have a problem…!
 
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Glen,

You‘re looking at it all wrong mate.

You gotta follow ’The Science’.

The Science says, the carbon issues from growing and harvesting trees in Canada, is not the UK’s issue.

Similarly, so long as the ships are not registered in the U.K., the carbon footprint of that is not the UKs issue.

But burning green fuels in the U.K. helps the U.K. achieve it’s carbon reduction targets !

This is what happens when politicians impose, and chase, arbitrary targets.

And it’s all backed by ‘The Science‘…
 
Several of my neighbours still with open fire places have had their
chimneys swept and are stocking up with logs. Several others are
installing wood burners. apparently the price of logs has doubled
recently. It’ll be like the dark ages in suburbia this winter.
 
Staytite said:
Several of my neighbours still with open fire places have had their
chimneys swept and are stocking up with logs. Several others are
installing wood burners. apparently the price of logs has doubled
recently. It’ll be like the dark ages in suburbia this winter.
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I'm considering making a wood burner for my garage
My sister and brother in law have a wood burner
They dry the wood for two years before burning it
I'm guessing most people don't do this?
 
You all are puzzling over the carbon craze hustle but nobody in charge seems too worried about the US president being clearly around the bend. And there are other similarly affected men running for nearly equally important public offices and at least half of the population seem ok with it. I am NOT supporting any party or candidate here, just being the boy who notices that the emperor has no clothes.
This is now across the board. The most obvious things are simply ignored or at best glossed over. It is astounding!
 
Onder said:
Oh 'seasoned' wood is the way to go. Many times caught short and burned green wood and you get creosote build up very quickly and that is a prescription for some world class chimney fires...which can burn down your house.
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I didn't know that
 
The locals here seem to know about drying the logs
Big, pretty stacks next to front doors virtue signaling
Or big piles at the back of their garages
Lots of wood burner installer vans about.

Just a thought ….. perhaps we would be best off having
burners to dispose of old engine oil to warm our garages?

Surely about as eco friendly as a log burner?
 
Really? I have pictures... Worst case is a masonry chimney which acts as a wind tunnel, temps of the burning creosote rocket upward and the chimney with it thereby igniting the surrounding woodwork. Most houses in the USA are wooden. The sound
alone of a chimney fire makes a 747 sound docile. It might just burn itself out but then the clay tile liner will likely be cracked just
waiting to leak and yes, burn down your house.
 
Waste oil furnace a well known garage heater but unless you have a purpose built one the pollution is likely not pretty. Remember you are burning the oil and all the by products that forced you to change the oil in the first place.
 
Staytite said:
The locals here seem to know about drying the logs
Big, pretty stacks next to front doors virtue signaling
Or big piles at the back of their garages
Lots of wood burner installer vans about.

Just a thought ….. perhaps we would be best off having
burners to dispose of old engine oil to warm our garages?

Surely about as eco friendly as a log burner?
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I donate my used engine oil to a bike shop
 
Swedish 🇸🇪 Science
Nearly all of Sweden's non-recycled waste is burned to generate electricity and heat. It's a method that, while emitting CO2, is far better for the climate than sending garbage to landfills, according to the Swedish powers that B
reasonstobecheerful.world

How Sweden Sends Just 1% of Its Trash to Landfills

The country incinerates nearly half its garbage to create the energy that powers its homes and buildings.
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Onder said:
Really? I have pictures... Worst case is a masonry chimney which acts as a wind tunnel, temps of the burning creosote rocket upward and the chimney with it thereby igniting the surrounding woodwork. Most houses in the USA are wooden. The sound
alone of a chimney fire makes a 747 sound docile. It might just burn itself out but then the clay tile liner will likely be cracked just
waiting to leak and yes, burn down your house.
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I can remember chimney fires when I was a kid
Never knew what caused them
 
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