Box Stock VS Modified

All my bikes now are left shift - because "that's the way u-huh I like it u-huh, u-huh!"
I would probably agree if I were much younger, but I'm 75 and started riding used Triumphs on the street in 1966 when right was right and right stayed right for a long time! If I started riding in 1975 and could afford a new bike, then left would be right!

What can I expect from a Disco/Funk maniac quoting KC from his famous 1975 song :)
 
The problem I have with the argument that all improvements are good is that the whole bike can be replaced with an MT07 or the like which is objectively a better bike. I am not criticizing modifications but it is the original nature of the bike that draws us to it.

That's not a good argument because you are saying that the flaws of a vintage bike are more enjoyable than the corrections of those flaws on that same enjoyable bike... That doesn't make sense...

The only valid argument that improvements are "not good" would be that it changes the character of the bike so it's lost it's distinctive qualities. There's nothing distinctive about fiddling with points and condensers relative to only Commandos.

Lots of people have the landsdowne fork cartridges now. Would better handling be ruining the commando experience for you? Is a commando that handles better not a valid commando experience? I have Showa dampers in my commando forks and Ikon shocks on the rear.

One of my commando design elements was the single bolt swingarm tube that the early bikes had. My commando rode down the road like a snake weaving back and forth.. Did the Kegler clamps that correct the wallowed out swingarm tube ruin my commando experience or just allow my commando to operate as it was intended??

I have cast alloy wheels on my commando. Lots of racing nortons use the allow wheels. WTBS, If I don't look down I really don't know the difference between spokes or no spokes..... Is the spoke experience completely different? I still have the same tires as spoke wheeled nortons except they are tubeless alloy wheels..

I could go on and on but my point is that none of the things I have modified have changed the basic character of my commando. It just handles better, runs better, and is better in many other ways.....

As I said above, It just isn't the "G.I. Joe wrapped in the Original packaging" that collectors feel is "most valuable". That unaltered stock bike is what I call the "time capsule bike" and it's valuable because it's a historical bike as it came from the factory. We look at it and it brings us back to the old days when the only loud canary yellow bike roaring past you as you walked down the street was a Norton Commando. You remember those days the same way you look at the pictures in your high school yearbook...

Also as I said above, if I was a collector type looking to buy my first Norton Commando, I would want the "time capsule bike". But as someone who has owned my commando since 1978 and kept it running much of that time, my commando experience is different than most of the bikes that had 8,000 miles put on them and then found a home buried in some garage for 40 years. Most of those owners couldn't handle the mechanical challenge of the commando.... I would argue that you can't buy that experience wrapped in the original plastic packaging... and That is the real commando owner experience and that is a lived experience and buying someone elses time capsule bike is something completely different...

with all due respects...
 
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the Speed 400 has a service interval of 10k miles - what's a Commando service interval in really?
5000 km (3000 miles) according to the Mk3 Workshop Manual.

This has mostly to do with lubrication of the final drive chain. Fitting an X- or O-ring chain would allow maintenance intervals to increase, maybe double.

- Knut
 
5000 km (3000 miles) according to the Mk3 Workshop Manual.

This has mostly to do with lubrication of the final drive chain. Fitting an X- or O-ring chain would allow maintenance intervals to increase, maybe double.

- Knut
Agreed, but turn no wrench, just stick in pump gas, and ride for 10k miles. I have no doubt that will work with a modern bike or car - not so sure about a bike from the 60s/70s running 10k miles without any service.

The MKIII Rider's manual has this to say:

Box Stock VS Modified

Box Stock VS Modified
 
It’s always been so. Modifications don’t sell a bike.
Even if a new owner then does those modifications himself!

It's the opposite in the classic '50s MG world. I have kept my '56 ZA Magnette fairly original in the 43 years I have had it. Now buyers of Magnettes and MGAs want 1800cc MGB engines, 5 speed Nissan or Ford gearboxes, high ratio axles and front disc brakes with servo.
 
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I have been trying to sell my Norton.
Everything on my bike makes it a dream to ride.
I guess I do not understand wanting a bike that looks a certain way rather than one the performs and rides well as possible.
If you need to get top dollar, spend a weekend putting it back to stock.

Leave the ignition alone, but include the AAU & points in a box.

Put the upgrade parts up for sale here (and wherever else) after the bike is sold.

That would be my advice.
 
Well, they sure would not like mine, too many CNW parts! Last year I took it to a vintage bike show in San Luis Obispo, Ca. The judges passed over it for too many modifications, but said I had the most beautiful bike there, but gave themselves the trophies instead. Ignore those people, you just haven’t found the right buyer yet.
Mine is a full on cNw build, #101. Won best in show at a U.K. NOC event last year and I only parked it in the carpark!🤣🤣🤣
 

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Mine is a full on cNw build, #101. Won best in show at a U.K. NOC event last year and I only parked it in the carpark!🤣🤣🤣
Shows are weird. I was talked into putting one of my rebuilt Combats into a show once with several glaring changes and it won the show - I was shocked. On the other hand, I didn't and you don't stand a chance in a concours type show. I have a friend who judges for the Antique Motorcycle Club of America, and he has never received 100 points on his show Commando even though he has tried for years - some judge always finds some tiny thing wrong. He often has the highest score so he wins, but perfection is elusive!
 
I brought my 850 Commando in 1976 new, it was the last 74 black Roadster left in Brisbane hiding in the back of the dealership surrounded by all the new model 75 Norton/Triumphs, last of the KS and right shift in Brisbane when I was 17 years old been riding jap dirt bikes since I was 15 so was my first right hand shift, only took me about 2 weeks to get use to the change as I was still riding the dirt bikes, but my plan was to do a Featherbed conversion as soon as I got hold of a good Featherbed frame (a 750 Commando in a Wideline Featherbed was my first Norton I rode that belonged to my mate Don, 2 weeks later I brought my new 850) and way the last 49 years my Norton has been modified since 1980, built by me and my own hands, I had no problems at all doing the conversions to the Featherbed and the motor was built for the hard mount frame.
the first few years of the Commando I had lots of minor problems, mostly points set up before finding the AAU was the problem, easy fix with a Lucas EI, but it failed within 1 year, replaced with a Boyar unit in 79 the year I found a Featherbed frame from my mate Don, but the before the conversions the Commando wheels had peeling chrome, the paint job on the tank was lifting, it was painted from the factory without undercoat, the front brakes worked great for the first few years before becoming bad, the stock isolastics were giving me hell, handling was crap till I threw on new Koni shocks the bike was only 4 years old and so many problem on and off with the stock set up, mufflers rusting out, Amal carbs completely worn out, the Commando was my only transport so wasn't happy, but I did give it a hard time being a teenager flogging the guts out of my Norton (burnouts every Friday nights) broken chains then the blown lay shaft bearing all within the short time I owned it.
1980 I had enough and was the start of the Featherbed conversion, I was on the dole at the time so money was tight, took 2 1/2 years to build, the motor was fully built for the Featherbed frame, crank balanced, 40th rebore as my cylinders were worn oval from too many burn out major port work and my stock cam built up to a 2S cam grind/profile, rebuilt the stock Commando front end and front brakes was installed, new Akront alloy wheels, new open exhaust system and being a 1957 Wideline Featherbed frame a modified interstate seat, most of my commando parts where used only the frame, oil tank, battery box and engine mounts were different, the bike was built for me the way I wanted it, for lightness, handling and performance, and reliability, fully modified and over the last 44+ years more improvements as spare money came along.
I didn't build my Norton to be sold, or for anyone else for that matter, it was built for me and me only, didn't care what others said and to be honest was the best thing I ever done and even better after installing the Joe Hunt maggie, the bike is running the best it ever has in the last 15 years, I changed the Amals to PWK carbs that Jim built for my bike, but have since gone back to the replaced Amal I brough new back in 1980, yes they were alloy Amals, not pot metal Amals, yes they were around back in the 80s.
Well my Norton has proven itself in the 44+ and has been so reliable the only time it has let me down was a blown Boyar 100 miles from home, 1 broken rear chain, one dropped coil but I rode home on one cylinder, and it was an everyday rider till 2013 when I brought my new Triumph Thruxton, the Norton is semi-retired but I still ride it regularly as it's still my number one bike that I built, it's my play bike and still shows up a lot of modern bikes up in the ranges/twisties, yes my Norton is fully modified, for me and no one else, what happens to it when I am dead and gone will be up to my youngest daughter.
I don't care what others think, I have a very reliable Norton, it's lighter than a Commando, shorter in the wheelbase, handles like it's on rails and very comfortable to ride all day and long road trips and its right hand gear change and it fires up first kick every time with the Joe Hunt and Amals, 30 years ago I was offered a lot of money for it but no it was my bike and no one else, I have had so much fun on my hotrod Norton and still do every time I take it out, it's showing its age now but that's because it ridden, it's never been a show pony but it draws a crowd when I am parked up on bike runs, and the old blokes think it's an old Domie.
Would I change it back to a Commando, no way, it's the way I like it.

Ashley
Box Stock VS Modified
 
Where would you be without a light pole to lean it against Ash? ;) ;)
It has a side stand but the foot of the stand has broken, but for the first 20 years of the build I ran without any stands on the Norton they just get in the way of scaping while throwing it around in the twisties, but then you be surprised where/what you can lean your bike on, fences, light poles, houses, trees, guide post, even have used my helmet, but never had problems finding a place to lean it on, everything on my Norton is built up high or tucked right in, have never scraped the foot pegs, its well set up for max cranking it over in the corners and sometimes I got to look back to see if I did go through that corner as it handles so well, and Rob you know how well Featherbed frames handle.
 
I can't understand anyone wanting a completely original Commando, unless they are building a museum.

Lets be honest, original bikes have some serious limitations, why would anyone want brakes that don't brake very well, ignition systems that need loads of maintenance but are unreliable even with all that maintenance, stuff that rusts if it rains. Pretty much everything on our bikes can be replaced with parts that are better designed, and/or better built; wanting originality has to be based on ignorance of what original actually gives you.
That's my point exactly!
 
It has a side stand but the foot of the stand has broken, but for the first 20 years of the build I ran without any stands on the Norton they just get in the way of scaping while throwing it around in the twisties, but then you be surprised where/what you can lean your bike on, fences, light poles, houses, trees, guide post, even have used my helmet, but never had problems finding a place to lean it on, everything on my Norton is built up high or tucked right in, have never scraped the foot pegs, its well set up for max cranking it over in the corners and sometimes I got to look back to see if I did go through that corner as it handles so well, and Rob you know how well Featherbed frames handle.
Exactly! My 650ss doesn't have a side stand - doesn't work well with chopped monoblocs!
 
. . . I don't want a rigid girder bike to ride like a new bike, that is why I ride it in the first place, getting a vintage experience.
What's funny to me is the opposite, where people want to buy a classic Triumph and install a bolt on hard tail because it looks cool never realizing the hard fought engineering battle that brought us the comfort and safety of the swinging arm. Do not down grade a bike for the sake of "cool."
 
What's funny to me is the opposite, where people want to buy a classic Triumph and install a bolt on hard tail because it looks cool never realizing the hard fought engineering battle that brought us the comfort and safety of the swinging arm. Do not down grade a bike for the sake of "cool."
How many bolt on hard tail triumphs have you ridden?
And what models
IE a pre unit will benefit in my experience where a late 60s t120 would not in terms of handling
In terms of comfort it has to be a" damped " sprung seat
I doubt many people would buy a decent classic triumph and hard tail it
These bikes are generally built from parts by dedicated people
 
What's funny to me is the opposite, where people want to buy a classic Triumph and install a bolt on hard tail because it looks cool never realizing the hard fought engineering battle that brought us the comfort and safety of the swinging arm. Do not down grade a bike for the sake of "cool."
Like Baz said, I doubt anyone is doing it to complete Classic Triumph’s anymore (although it might happen again if prices keep falling) !

Folk do it to have FUN…
 
How many bolt on hard tail triumphs have you ridden?
And what models
IE a pre unit will benefit in my experience where a late 60s t120 would not in terms of handling
In terms of comfort it has to be a" damped " sprung seat
I doubt many people would buy a decent classic triumph and hard tail it
These bikes are generally built from parts by dedicated people
I used to see quite a few hard tail conversions back in the day. They were mainly made from T120s, the first oil in frame models, that people found square and ugly.
 
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