The top four most despised leaders of the world

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Craig said:
Pretty sure it was the Russian people’s will/spirit and their nasty weather won the battle for Russia , WW2 was won by the Allied Forces
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Hitler made the classic mistake of fighting a war on two fronts, with his troops spread so thinly and the harsh winter weather hitting them when only a few miles from Stalindad, the Russians were more used and better equipped for the winter, thousands of German troops froze to death . The Russians started to push before D day helping the Allied troops gain a foothold in France, the rest, as they say is history. It's a fascinating story that is even more interesting when you start to look into it.
 
Russians better equipped and more used to the cold?

The death toll at Stalingrad was huge, leaving about 850,000 Axis soldiers dead, missing or wounded in the battle, and more than a million Soviet
soldiers downed, missing or wounded. Most of the civilians residing in the city also died during the combat.

The defence of Moscow marked the success of Soviet resistance against the Axis forces and an operational and tactical failure for the Germans.
The battle ended in January 1942, leaving estimated casualties of 174,000 to 400,000 for Germany and 650,000 to 1.2 million casualties for the
Red Army

Horrific
 
Staytite said:
Russians better equipped and more used to the cold?

The death toll at Stalingrad was huge, leaving about 850,000 Axis soldiers dead, missing or wounded in the battle, and more than a million Soviet
soldiers downed, missing or wounded. Most of the civilians residing in the city also died during the combat.

The defence of Moscow marked the success of Soviet resistance against the Axis forces and an operational and tactical failure for the Germans.
The battle ended in January 1942, leaving estimated casualties of 174,000 to 400,000 for Germany and 650,000 to 1.2 million casualties for the Red Army Horrific
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Don't dispute your reply, but the German army got caught trying to take Stalindad just on the onsert of winter without any winter clothes, in one place the army were surrounded and G"oring tried to keep them supplied from the air, and failed , one container had french letters inside it. Their army froze and their vehicles wouldn't work in the frozen conditions. The Russians were under siege by the German Army, so couldn't get food or fuel.
 
norton bob said:
If Stalin had not defeated Hitler in Russia it would have been all over for us, and nowhere for the Allies to gather an invasion. Hitlers V2s would have been dropping on New York.
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Stalin did not defeat Hitler, he absorbed all they had and survived before pushing back. Thanks in part to US supplied arms and ammunition.
 
MikeG said:
Stalin did not defeat Hitler, he absorbed all they had and survived before pushing back. Thanks in part to US supplied arms and ammunition.
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Shipped in by the USA and GB via the Arctic route. He moved a whole tank factory 3000 miles east to stop the Germans getting hold of it. When it was back in full production Russian led the biggest tank battle against the Panzers ever seen, and for the very first time ever, defeated them. From thereon Hitler's army was on the back foot.
 
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I think we are getting away from despised, those wartime monsters were feared and hated. Despised suggests something else that to me includes pathetic and cowardly.
 
Hitter fell into exactly the same ‘trap’ as Napoleon.

He thought he was conquering huge swaths of land whilst his pathetic foe retreated in a full panic.

Actually, the Russians used space as a tactic, they knew they had land and people to spare. They knew the weather was going to be on their side. The Germans massively over extended their lines of communication and then the Russians threw overwhelming numbers of men (read casualties) at them.

Hardly glamorous or chivalrous or merciful... but effective.
 
Memo from Roosevelt to Churchill and Stalin "Hitler is the best General we ever had"
 
Most if not all of us on here are fortunate enough to live in countries where expressing negative opinions about our countries leadership is something we can do without fear of repercussion and, no matter how little influence we might feel we have, where we can take part in the selection of that leader.
I am sure there are considerably more than 4 countries where neither of the above applies, so for me not in the top 4.
 
Idi Amin and Arafat certainly belong here somewhere, Maduro too.
 
As it has been reported elsewhere 44% of Americans have never heard of Mao Zedong, a controversial Chinese figure who seemed to have his picture at one time to be on every other T-shirt. but even he probably wasn't despised was but nevertheless was
responsible for millions of people's deaths in peacetime through his rule;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong


Mao with Henry Kissinger and Zhou Enlai, Beijing, 1972

At the Lushan Conference in July/August 1959, several ministers expressed concern that the Great Leap Forward had not proved as successful as planned. The most direct of these was Minister of Defence and Korean War veteran General Peng Dehuai. Following Peng's criticism of the Great Leap Forward, Mao orchestrated a purge of Peng and his supporters, stifling criticism of the Great Leap policies. Senior officials who reported the truth of the famine to Mao were branded as "right opportunists."[201] A campaign against right-wing opportunism was launched and resulted in party members and ordinary peasants being sent to prison labor camps where many would subsequently die in the famine. Years later the CPC would conclude that as many as six million people were wrongly punished in the campaign.[202]
The number of deaths by starvation during the Great Leap Forward is deeply controversial. Until the mid-1980s, when official census figures were finally published by the Chinese Government, little was known about the scale of the disaster in the Chinese countryside, as the handful of Western observers allowed access during this time had been restricted to model villages where they were deceived into believing that the Great Leap Forward had been a great success. There was also an assumption that the flow of individual reports of starvation that had been reaching the West, primarily through Hong Kong and Taiwan, must have been localised or exaggerated as China was continuing to claim record harvests and was a net exporter of grain through the period. Because Mao wanted to pay back early to the Soviets debts totalling 1.973 billion yuan from 1960 to 1962,[203] exports increased by 50%, and fellow Communist regimes in North Korea, North Vietnam and Albania were provided grain free of charge.[194]
Censuses were carried out in China in 1953, 1964 and 1982. The first attempt to analyse this data to estimate the number of famine deaths was carried out by American demographer Dr. Judith Banister and published in 1984. Given the lengthy gaps between the censuses and doubts over the reliability of the data, an accurate figure is difficult to ascertain. Nevertheless, Banister concluded that the official data implied that around 15 million excess deaths incurred in China during 1958–61, and that based on her modelling of Chinese demographics during the period and taking account of assumed under-reporting during the famine years, the figure was around 30 million. The official statistic is 20 million deaths, as given by Hu Yaobang.[204] Yang Jisheng, a former Xinhua News Agency reporter who had privileged access and connections available to no other scholars, estimates a death toll of 36 million.[203] Frank Dikötter estimates that there were at least 45 million premature deaths attributable to the Great Leap Forward from 1958 to 1962.[205] Various other sources have put the figure at between 20 and 46 million.[206][207][208]
 
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Trump may be a despicable son-of-a-bitch, but (thanks to modern communications) he can't pull a tenth of the murderous shit some of the others mentioned did. He's a piddle-dick clown compared to Hitler or Pol Pot. I'd add Kim Jung Fathead to the list. there's no way of knowing how many of his own citizens he's had murdered, but anyone who'd kill his own brother would likely do much more.
 
Danno said:
Trump may be a despicable son-of-a-bitch, but (thanks to modern communications) he can't pull a tenth of the murderous shit some of the others mentioned did. He's a piddle-dick clown compared to Hitler or Pol Pot. I'd add Kim Jung Fathead to the list. there's no way of knowing how many of his own citizens he's had murdered, but anyone who'd kill his own brother would likely do much more.
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I agree, Danny. But, Trump is not through yet. Now with an acquittal of the senate trial, Trump will become more brazen than ever.
 
MikeG said:
Stalin did not defeat Hitler, he absorbed all they had and survived before pushing back. Thanks in part to US supplied arms and ammunition.
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think you need to reread history. we were sending anything and everything we couldn't afford. including hurricanes and spitfires. never mind. im sure Hollywood will change that bit of british history soon too
 
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