We Did It

Fullauto said:

Great news. I'm glad we could help. I might just have to come over next year and watch a race or two. It'll be worth every cent spent.

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Make sure to check the AHRMA schedule as some of the events are set "back-to-back" on consecutive race weekends within a reasonable driving distance; make the most of your trip and see the sights in between races!

A great choice is Road America (Elkhart lake, Wisconsin) and Grattan (Belding, Michigan). You can see Lake Geneva and sample some really nice food, wine and yachting, see Lake Michigan and Chicago (deep dish pizza); Indianapolis is not too far off the path, just to see it.

there are other sights, I'm sure, but these are possibly the best to be taken in, between race weekends. Just the right amount of time to do it relatively liesurely.

rvich said:

Joking aside, this is a terrific accomplishment for both the builders and rider. Care to share any tips on swingarms and isolastics? Suspension?

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I think it's his Seely so no isos.

Fullauto said:

I might just have to come over next year and watch a race or two.

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The other good choice is Willow Springs (Los Angeles, California) / Portland, Oregon back-to-backs.

You can see Hollywood, Disneyland, Solvang m/c museum, the west coastline, Mount Ranier, Mount Saint Helens, and other sites.

Swoosheroo, No One But No One races at the speeds and power and corner load levels Doug and Kenny do on a flexy sloppy dangerous un-tamed isolastic Cdo.
They must suffer the vibration of crank, pistons and valve train, as do the tire hysteria of rigid solid mounted chassis. This is why there is so much emphasis and pleasure expressed by the smoother operation of Jim's piston/rod kit.
People race regualar isolastic Cdo's just not anywhere near what any modern sports bike can do. Me I'm all done with any that non-sense, give me a rear linked Cdo any day to enjoy uncanny smooth operation in flabbergasting sure grip and behavior that just lights up the harder and losser you get. Just imagine my restlessness to put a Kenny Cumming's world class engine in the baby buggy comfort chassis.
Only two so far have experienced a rear linked Cdo and both say solves Cdo handling issues, along with normal good fit of rest of bike. I can't take more big animal fate so after testing Peel-Commando, likely have to retreat to a trike or guit and part out and just live it via the racers and show boats delights.

hobot

hobot said:

...so after testing Peel-Commando, likely have to retreat to a trike ...

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See "Anything Else motorcycle-Related" section...

But Steve, I raced my isolastic mounted 900 CC bike to 3rd place overall two years in a row in modern supertwins with the MRA. And fourth overall in Supertwins GTU on my skinny tired isolastic mounted vintage legal 750 cc Commando. It was always good for a podium finish if it was a short tight track. My main competition was Ducaties, SVs and TLs. Jim

hobot said:

Swoosheroo, No One But No One races at the speeds and power and corner load levels Doug and Kenny do on a flexy sloppy dangerous un-tamed isolastic Cdo.

hobot

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You don't think Doug has isos? If I recall he has some sort of weird setup on the rear but the front might have an iso.

Holmeslice said:

Right on, thanks for the support folks.

In all honesty, I'm not trying to blow my own horn here as much as I'm trying to convey that I have one mean Mutha of a Motor, and you can too! There really was no special secret. That's what is most remarkable. In fact I admit there were times when I was skeptical as it was being drawn up, using a lot of the same stuff we are running on our street bikes. But there are some really talented Norton folks behind me who are thinking of the big picture (see them in my signature below), and that's what has made it work so well. I wish I could bolt it up into all your bikes so you could take it for a run, and you'd see what I mean!

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Since you're using stock parts, anything that anyone else can buy... you care to publish your dyno numbers? :mrgreen:

Since you're using stock parts, anything that anyone else can buy... you care to publish your dyno numbers? :mrgreen:[/quote]
swoosh,sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh,THE PHANTOM looks in here now and again,dont forget careless talk costs overtime :mrgreen:

chris plant said:

Since you're using stock parts, anything that anyone else can buy... you care to publish your dyno numbers? :mrgreen:

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swoosh,sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh,THE PHANTOM looks in here now and again,dont forget careless talk costs overtime :mrgreen:[/quote]

I'm just saying that if anyone can buy these parts it shouldn't be that big of a deal. And if you think the bike is the only thing that makes Kenny win... well, let me tell you something...

swoosh, i didnt think that at all ,i know kenny is a great rider, i follow his site regularly and have done for quite a few years

Dyno numbers are just vaporware. I have a dyno in my shop, and the numbers I get from it I use solely for benchmarking purposes. If I make a change and the number goes up, great. If it goes down, not great.

And since there are evil-doers who lurk in the dark recesses of these boards, let's just say I'm getting about 38hp at the rear wheel :wink: .

So take that, all you over-inflated-HP-numbers Triumph dorks!

Damn, that about what my bicycle makes. You need a port job.

Ouch, Kinda sounds like the Buell guys talking about Harley. :wink:

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Dyno numbers are just vaporware. I have a dyno in my shop, and the numbers I get from it I use solely for benchmarking purposes. If I make a change and the number goes up, great. If it goes down, not great.

And since there are evil-doers who lurk in the dark recesses of these boards, let's just say I'm getting about 38hp at the rear wheel :wink: .

So take that, all you over-inflated-HP-numbers Triumph dorks!

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You may want to change the molassas in the gearbox for some oil. That's some pretty serious parasitic loss going on there. :mrgreen:

Hey Chuck. We both know Buells are fabulous. What's a Harley?

What's a Harley?

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A Harley is what God invented because there weren't enough Norton's to go around.

Bill G

Harleys are chopper engine donors.

Well, at least they were in the early days.

Ahem, back on topic.

My motor it rigidly mounted in the Seeley frame. I run a 78% balance factor using JS Motorsports' long rod/raised piston pin setup. Jim kept asking me, "does it vibrate?" and for the first few races I couldn't answer his question as I never noticed it one way or another. Sure it vibrates more than an Interstate with .020" clearance on the Isos, but it certainly vibes less than ever. When a bike vibrates it plays a psychological game, making one think they are going faster than they really are, and as you twist the throttle more and more you just know you're tearing the thing apart. Not the case here.

Doug does use a Commando frame with Isolastics. We had a conversation once about how certain he was his bike was smoother compared to my rigid mount. He's probably right. I know he has the Isos tightened up a lot. Herb Becker designed Doug's bike, and Herb knows quite a bit about this stuff. If I remember Herb said there is very little or no clearance in the Isos. Never has Doug complained of flexible frames or weaving, so proof is in the pudding, as Dougie goes pretty good.

I will say his bike is about 4" taller than mine, and longer. And... he has an upholstered padded seat - kinda reminds me of racing a big old Monte Carlo!

Doug and I will be on the track together this weekend at Mosport, in Canada. What a hoot that place is. Maybe we'll switch bikes for a practice.

Holmeslice said:

Doug and I will be on the track together this weekend at Mosport, in Canada. What a hoot that place is. Maybe we'll switch bikes for a practice.

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How long before Doug switches to the JS/Full Auto setup? Right after he tries your bike?