Wanted; Sense of humour for NOC EC.

Simples...even large comapny AGM's and shareholders meetings have postal votes
for all paid up members. Surely this would not be too big a deal to organise or am
I missing something.

Andy
 
andychain said:
Simples...even large comapny AGM's and shareholders meetings have postal votes
for all paid up members. Surely this would not be too big a deal to organise or am
I missing something.

Andy
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I suggested exactly that within the last 12 months, response was something like, "it would be very expensive", and "current system works well" etc. I added, voting forms could be sent out with the monthly edition of Roadholder. Still waiting for a reply. They seem to have similar aversion to change as did the motorcycle industry management.
 
I might just join the NOC again, my last membership lapsed around 1989, still got the chrome square badge.

Membership to any club is not compulsory, and to join one is to accept all the quirks and foibles with the membership, including the mysterious EC. I do agree that change is needed, and a postal vote is indeed more democratic and the way to go, but who would I vote for? I wouldn't really know the people who put themselves forward! I might vote in the biggest dick head on the planet!

If I did join the NOC it would really be just for the sake of being able to say I'm in the NOC, I doubt very much if I would take an active part in the club. I will let the club do what they do best and that is to promote the image of a lump of joined up metal and plastic called Norton.

andychain said:
One of the benefits of the club is that some day you may well get a fat grey haired old
guy boring the pants off you about chain.
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Best benefit of the club so far :D

CB
 
Cheshire bloke said:
If I did join the NOC it would really be just for the sake of being able to say I'm in the NOC, I doubt very much if I would take an active part in the club. I will let the club do what they do best and that is to promote the image of a lump of joined up metal and plastic called Norton.

CB
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That's my main complaint. The EC's idea of promotiing Norton's is putting on static displays at shows. Mine is riding the bike. This seems to be another aversion the majority of the EC and club members have.
 
Wanted; Sense of humour for NOC EC.
 
Britain sent more convicts to the United States.
As the British like to remind.....
 
Boring Sunday.

Flicked on to the Norton site and it points to the marketing attitude of
Norton.

UK..........No dealers and Norton listed as a distributor
Belgium....1 dist and 2 dealers
Germany...1 dist and 3 dealers
USA.........1 dist and 9 yes 9 dealers

Being a proud Brit I would have thought a bouyant home market would be
important. Do I foresee a move into mainland Europe or even USA for the
production of this iconic UK brand? With the costs involved with shipping it
would make good sense to have production near to the biggest market.

I really must get a life.

Andy
 
andychain said:
UK..........No dealers and Norton listed as a distributor
Belgium....1 dist and 2 dealers
Germany...1 dist and 3 dealers
USA.........1 dist and 9 yes 9 dealers
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What about all the other countries you missed out?: http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/dealers/#.UpH9NdJ4phs

andychain said:
Being a proud Brit I would have thought a bouyant home market would be
important. Do I foresee a move into mainland Europe or even USA for the
production of this iconic UK brand? With the costs involved with shipping it
would make good sense to have production near to the biggest market.
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If you take the time to search for "961" threads on the forum I think you will find that it's all been thrashed out here months/years ago already, Andy? Norton Motorcycles build bikes to order and they still can't keep up with demand as it is, so what's the point of having even more dealers with no 961s on their showroom floor?
 
L.A.B. said:
If you take the time to search for "961" threads on the forum I think you will find that it's all been thrashed out here months/years ago already, Andy? Norton Motorcycles build bikes to order and they still can't keep up with demand as it is, so what's the point of having even more dealers with no 961s on their showroom floor?
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If the bikes are being built to order why are there the delays in delivery to customers, unless they've sorted this problem now. Something that needs sorting is oil consumption. Several owners reporting high consumption - one bike is consuming approx 1 pint every 300 miles. Factory told the owner this is normal!!
 
Al-otment said:
L.A.B. said:
If you take the time to search for "961" threads on the forum I think you will find that it's all been thrashed out here months/years ago already, Andy? Norton Motorcycles build bikes to order and they still can't keep up with demand as it is, so what's the point of having even more dealers with no 961s on their showroom floor?
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If the bikes are being built to order why are there the delays in delivery to customers, unless they've sorted this problem now.
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I think it's been sorted now (at least for UK buyers)-according to the most recent '961' comments I've read on the NOC forum.

But do we need to go over all this again, as the 961/SG/Norton Motorcycles saga really has been flogged to death here, already.
 
As I said boring Sunday.

All the other countries only listed distributors nor dealers.

I agrre about the "alleged" delays, one guy waiting in his words hopefully
getting his Norton next May. Having spoken with owners at shows and the
Norton owners club on occasion, I am aware there are some issues. I know there
were issues on the cam chain as Norton told me. As I no longer supply them I dont
know if it was sorted or not.

Sorry but being a Norton fan, I rode one the first Commandos sold, I just feel the
mark deserves better. As I stated earlier Triumph appear to have the race situation
right, and race wins still sell bikes. I see the production race machines are destined for
America.

I am not a political animal just a biker who has been around for a long time who
would like the Norton or any other UK manufacturer to rise again. If I had the money
I would like to say I would invest in a Norton but as I do not..........

The Enfield factory is still there how about??????

Andy
 
andychain said:
The Enfield factory is still there how about??????
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Been done already ?
You can still buy them, new - from India.
Better than they ever were ?

And, oddly, some of their parts makers/suppliers have starting making parts for ealier models (pre-bullet).

But we digress....
 
We dont digress it is a mute point.

The biggest market for the Enfield brand is India and I have to tell you the
early ones were riddled with problems which over time have been remedied
to the point where they are now very realiable, but why I am changing chains
on 3 month old Enfields is another matter :D :D :D :D :D.

My theory is perhaps its down to money. UK production must be cheaper than
Stateside or perhaps the number of grants thrown at companies to employ
people in UK is in the mix.......I just do not know. All I do know is that Norton
appears to be setting out its stall in the USA and i have absolutely no problem
with that as long as the UK market is not overlooked.

If as I have been told that all stock has to be "prepaid" by dealers in UK it will
affect sales but questions such as "do the same rules apply to USA dealers" need to
be answered. Seeing a batch of 8 or 9 racers all lined up for USA seem to suggest
different rules.

This is a Norton based site and the silence from Norton speaks volumes.

I am not against Norton but the lack of machines on the road begs questions.

Andy
 
SORRY MY MISTAKE IT WAS A ROW OF 961s FOR THE USA AND IT WAS ON
THE NORTON SITE.

OLD FOOL
 
andychain said:
I am not against Norton but the lack of machines on the road begs questions.
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All the oldies that can afford em and buy em don't ride em ???

But we have seen reports here of them being ridden.
This is not exactly a 961 forum...
 
andychain said:
All I do know is that Norton
appears to be setting out its stall in the USA and i have absolutely no problem
with that as long as the UK market is not overlooked.
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The USA will, no doubt, eventually become Norton's biggest market-so logically, what they are doing seems to make sense (well it does to me at least).
The 961 has been in production now for well over three years (albeit in relatively small numbers from March 2010), and admittedly some customers have had to wait much longer than they should before they took delivery, but any UK customer who wanted a 961 badly enough at the beginning could have had one by now, but the need to meet US/Canadian emissions regs. (& other "red tape") has caused a significant delay in the shipment of 961s to the US/Canada.

andychain said:
If as I have been told that all stock has to be "prepaid" by dealers in UK it will
affect sales...
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Stuart Garner never intend the 961 be a "volume production" bike and has sad this repeatedly, (let's face it, they were being manufactured piecemeal in an industrial unit at Donington, until the recent acquisition of the Donington Hall and Hastings House facility).

This is a Norton based site and the silence from Norton speaks volumes.
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Andy, it really has all been said before-so the lack of response you've received is not particularly surprising.
 
al-otment wrote;
That's my main complaint. The EC's idea of promotiing Norton's is putting on static displays at shows. Mine is riding the bike. This seems to be another aversion the majority of the EC and club members have
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I joined the Yorkshire NOC about 6 years ago (although was a member in the 1980s as well) initially for selfish reasons, to find out where to find local alloy welder who knew what he was doing at a sensible price, who did the best paint job etc etc etc.

I am not really a "club man" by nature, and don't volunteer for any roles full stop, but by so doing I take the rough with the smooth and as I have got to know people I have developed quite a few good "Norton relationships." Our branch does attend static events, which we ride our bikes to and can be up to 70 mile return trip for some, not far Iknow, but it's a ride somewhere for a reason , but also from April to October ish, we have a run out to different locations at the rate of about 1 x per month, usually covering about 150 to 200+ miles, so it isn't ALL polishing and reminiscing. You can look at our site if you want to see what happens.

al-otment wrote;
Mine is riding the bike. This seems to be another aversion the majority of the EC and club members have
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This is true that there are is a percentage of members who don't ride or not very frequently. All people get different things from the club, and by so doing should not feel under duress to do something, and some are well into their 70's....and still ride.

I do agree with the NOC International being held in North Germany being a bit disappointing, the Rhine valley / Bavaria are much prettier but again, there will probably be about a dozen people who are going to sacrifice many many hours of their own time to arrange the rally which will undoubtedly draw criticism form some, no matter how good it is.

I'm not criticising you in any way, your view is as valid as mine, but just demonstrating my perspective. I'm in the NOC and take out of it what suits me, what doesn't suit me, I let that go over my head.....and am chilled 8) and it gives me a slightly more diverse social life.

If you are going to the national rally next year.....maybe I'll see you there.....if I can get the time off from work.
 
Reggie said:
I do agree with the NOC International being held in North Germany being a bit disappointing, the Rhine valley / Bavaria are much prettier but again, there will probably be about a dozen people who are going to sacrifice many many hours of their own time to arrange the rally which will undoubtedly draw criticism form some, no matter how good it is.

I'm not criticising you in any way, your view is as valid as mine, but just demonstrating my perspective. I'm in the NOC and take out of it what suits me, what doesn't suit me, I let that go over my head.....and am chilled 8) and it gives me a slightly more diverse social life.

If you are going to the national rally next year.....maybe I'll see you there.....if I can get the time off from work.
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Hi Reggie,

Not attending Int. because of location and wont be at the national rally as I'll be riding through Finland/Sweden to the Britti. I will be at other events, so maybe catch up for a beer as and when. A lot of work asked of volunteers organising an official NOC rally is generated by EC policy e.g risk assessment, notifying local authorities, putting up warning signs etc. I assume to satisfy public liability insurance, but does the club need this? A disclaimer would work - every body responsible for their own actions. An example of the EC complicating matters. I could put up with this sort of behaviour if Norton's turned out in force at club events, but the vast majority are collectors and polishers. Public liability could come in useful here if somebody is dazzled by bright chrome work (joke). It's worth being a member though for the enthusiastic 0.75% who attend branch rallies. There'll probably only be 4% of members at the national and a few of those wont be on Nortons - because the rules say you don't have to!? How does that promote Norton's?
 
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