UK postal strike?

Royal mail is privately owned
If/when they do go all electric the costs will have to be passed on to the customer
 
baz said:
looks like we could see the end of the royal mail
Or the service could become so expensive that it's not worth using
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Someone help me out here. My hearing is not too good and because of that I sometimes have a problem understanding British, English but it sounded to me that the guy in the clip said the Fiat vans used for mail delivery gets 50 mpg. I know Imperial gallons are about a qt more than a US gallon but fifty mpg in a stop and go delivery van is hard to see considering US postal delivery vans get about 8 mpg. Even if I'm mistaken and he said 15 mpg it sounds a little optimistic.
 
baz said:
looks like we could see the end of the royal mail
Or the service could become so expensive that it's not worth using
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When common sence and critical thinking become a uncomfortable truth to the current climate cult instigators
Check out 👇how hard it is to get the data info to even evaluate this madness in our country
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Costs and expected lifetime of Paxster vehicles - a Official Information Act request to New Zealand Post Limited

Could you please provide me with a breakdown of the costs of Paxster vehicles (i.e. both purchase price and running costs) and what the expected lifetime of these vehicles are. And how many have been purchased (I have seen references to thirty of them). I think they're a great idea by the...
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rweb said:
Someone help me out here. My hearing is not too good and because of that I sometimes have a problem understanding British, English but it sounded to me that the guy in the clip said the Fiat vans used for mail delivery gets 50 mpg. I know Imperial gallons are about a qt more than a US gallon but fifty mpg in a stop and go delivery van is hard to see considering US postal delivery vans get about 8 mpg. Even if I'm mistaken and he said 15 mpg it sounds a little optimistic.
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From a van comparison site:

'The Multijet engine gives 75bhp at 4000 revs which translates to a torque of 140lb/ft at a rev count of 1750rpm. The Fiat Doblo also provides a fuel consumption of around 50mpg. For a 1.3-litre, the Fiat Doblo feels faster to drive on many levels & its 10.5m turning circle makes it great for negotiating busy city streets.'
 
Not being familiar with this van I watched and read some reviews and see that it is a 50 mpg vehicle on the highway. One site listed 34 mpg for urban driving which in my opinion a city or rural mail delivery van would get even less mpg with the constant stops. The guy in the video is basing his argument on unrealistic fuel mileage numbers. The Fiat Doblo appears to be a great little city van but not 50 mpg on a mail rout... IMO To me that part of the argument is based on BS so how much of the presentation can be trusted.
 
rweb said:
Not being familiar with this van I watched and read some reviews and see that it is a 50 mpg vehicle on the highway. One site listed 34 mpg for urban driving which in my opinion a city or rural mail delivery van would get even less mpg with the constant stops. The guy in the video is basing his argument on unrealistic fuel mileage numbers. The Fiat Doblo appears to be a great little city van but not 50 mpg on a mail rout... IMO To me that part of the argument is based on BS so how much of the presentation can be trusted.
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He does state that he took the 50 mpg figure with a pinch of salt
Also if the doblo only did 25mpg with multiple drops it would still be less than half the cost of an electric equivalent van
I can't see any way a company that losses at the moment between £350m -450m per year can cope with that
 
baz said:
He does state that he took the 50 mpg figure with a pinch of salt
Also if the doblo only did 25mpg with multiple drops it would still be less than half the cost of an electric equivalent van
I can't see any way a company that losses at the moment between £350m -450m per year can cope with that
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Had he given the city mpg in the 34 mpg range it would be more believable but still not honest. The 20 to 25 mpg difference between where the discussion starts and 50 mpg stated is a very large pinch of salt. Based on this there is no doubt to me that the data on the electric vans is equally skewed to make them look worse. This guy is obviously anti electric for whatever reason and can't prove his case using facts...IMO. I do not own an EV and most likely never will but have no problem with my tax dollars being spent to buy a few EVs to see how it works out from a financial stand point. Not sure that EVs are the answer to anything but it seems to me if they will ever work anywhere it's stop and go city driving of less than 100 miles a day. If it doesn't work for city delivery it probably won't work for anything. For now I'l wate and see.
 
I simply look at it like this
(for New Zealand )....
20 years ago NZPost conducted around 1 billion postal movements..letters were delivered by PUSH BIKE for local residential dispatch nation wide... now that number has been reduced to 250 million postal movements due to internet email provider services etc...and the government Dumped Bicycle letter delivery went to petrol motor scooter for a while and now to these E vehicles
100s of millions of tax payers dollars have gone into e vans e buggies etc.
Net result...costs to the consumer have risen...the service has become LESS reliable due to the efficiency of these vehicles and the numerous times their national fleet e vehicles have been recalled because of faults...(more cost to tax payer)
Pre Christmas this year NZPost had to call in contractors with diesel and petrol vans to help with the back log of the failing parcel delivery service.(another self created supply chain issue of many)
If YOU and I were running a business like that WE would soon GO BROKE !!
So to me the economics and sustainability of this current practice WITHOUT even crunching the cost per kilometer numbers (E powered verses fossil powered vehicles).....is very CLEAR !!
 
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rweb said:
Had he given the city mpg in the 34 mpg range it would be more believable but still not honest. The 20 to 25 mpg difference between where the discussion starts and 50 mpg stated is a very large pinch of salt. Based on this there is no doubt to me that the data on the electric vans is equally skewed to make them look worse. This guy is obviously anti electric for whatever reason and can't prove his case using facts...IMO. I do not own an EV and most likely never will but have no problem with my tax dollars being spent to buy a few EVs to see how it works out from a financial stand point. Not sure that EVs are the answer to anything but it seems to me if they will ever work anywhere it's stop and go city driving of less than 100 miles a day. If it doesn't work for city delivery it probably won't work for anything. For now I'l wate and see.
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Yep let's wait and see what happens
 
Something to think about ?
Currently, most lithium is extracted from hard rock mines or underground brine reservoirs, and much of the energy used to extract and process it comes from CO2-emitting fossil fuels.

SO WHY DONT THEY USE ELECTRIC POWERED MACHINES TO EXTRACT TOXIC LITHIUM ??...🤔
 
Oh and since we are struggling to recycle stuff efficiency which fuel base ingredient looks best to you A...or ...B
For sustainability
A: OIL
Recycling will always be the preferred method (as opposed to disposal) and can provide great environmental benefits. Recycled used motor oil can be re-refined into new oil, processed into fuel oils, and used as raw materials for the petroleum industry.
B: LITHIUM
Lithium can be flammable, making it a dangerous material to recycle and because of that, you cannot simply add lithium ion batteries to your normal recycling bin. Additionally, EV batteries and storage batteries are very heavy, making their transportation to a recycling center an arduous process
 

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