Sparkplug ignitor high tension supression cables

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Sparkplug ignitor high tension suppression cables when every straw counts?
Mostly I run Bumble Bee outlaw copper wires but I hear Bosch platinum resistor plug WR7DP now designated the Bosch 4016 are good for a while.



Spark Plugs alone do not provide enough noise suppression therefore resistor covers were introduced. NGK Resistor Covers are designed to reduce “Electro Magnetic Interference” and “Radio Frequency Interference” which can interfere with electronic ignition components causing misfires and poor engine performance. -NGK

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: When should I use a resistor spark plug?

A: NGK "R" or resistor spark plugs use a 5k ohm ceramic resistor in the spark plug to suppress ignition noise generated during sparking.

NGK strongly recommends using resistor spark plugs in any vehicle that uses on-board computer systems to monitor or control engine performance. This is because resistor spark plugs reduce electromagnetic interference with on-board electronics.

They are also recommended on any vehicle that has other on-board electronic systems such as engine-management computers, two-way radios, GPS systems, depth finders or whenever recommended by the manufacturer.

In fact, using a non-resistor plug in certain applications can actually cause the engine to suffer undesirable side effects such as an erratic idle, high-rpm misfire, engine run-on, power drop off at certain rpm levels and abnormal combustion.

The problem with solid core wire is that it emits large amounts of RFI ( radio frequency interference) which affects radios, and onboard electronic systems in cars. When current passes through a wire, a magnetic field is formed. If the current flow is switched on and off rapidly as with an ignition system, RFI is caused by the magnetic field collapse (some refer to it as EMF which stands for electromotive force). When manufacturers started installing radios in cars, a solution was needed to reduce the RFI. One of the first solutions was to mount resistors on the wire ends to reduce the current flow and consequently reduce the EMF and resultant RFI.

The second solution, and the most popular by far, was to make the whole wire a resistor. Thus the age of carbon core wire (sometimes referred to as graphite core) was born. This type of wire needed a whole new type of construction over conventional solid core wire. Carbon core wire's basic construction starts with a non conductive structural member (nylon or Kevlar™) over which carbon fibers are deposited. These carbon fibers are typically blended with latex or silicone to form a flexible coating. A layer of EPDM rubber is then deposited over the core as primary insulation. Next a nylon bonding weave is placed over the wire which is followed by a final coating of either EPDM or silicone rubber. When new, this wire performs as designed. Over time however, with heat and vibration the carbon fibers tend to loosen which degrades conduction and eventually requires replacement. For this reason some OEMs (original equipment manufacturers) recommend replacement every 3 years or 60,000 KM. Carbon core wire is quite economical for manufacturers to use while suppressing sufficient RFI. This wire typically has a resistance of 3,000 to 20,000 ohms /ft. depending on the manufacturer.

O.K. So Where Do We Go Now ?

Previously mentioned, RFI is reduced by limiting the current flow in the wire. This reduction of current flow also results in a weaker spark to the plugs. An internal combustion engine operates on the principal of air and fuel burning in a cylinder and the expanding gases driving down the piston. That's right the fuel burns, not explodes as some believe. The hotter the spark in the cylinder the better the air/fuel ignition and better chance at complete combustion. We will come back to this in more detail later on, along with some common misconceptions. Since the hotter the spark the better combustion, an engine's efficiency improves, simple fact.

Carbon core wire is not our most efficient choice here, and solid core wire can't be used on modern vehicles. So where do we go from here ? The newest technology is wire wound construction which can go under many names such as magnetic suppression wire ( mag wire ), spiral core, helical core and so on. Although this type of wire is more costly than carbon core, vehicle manufacturers are using this type of wire more and more in newer vehicles for better efficiency and longer life.

So what is this "mag wire" wire all about ?

Let's begin with the basic construction of the wire, then get into some details that set brands apart from a performance and quality point of view. Mag wire begins with a non-conductive structural member such as nylon or Kevlar™ (just like carbon core wire). Over this member is wound a fine alloy wire in a spiral or helical fashion. The closer the turns are wound, the better the wire's quality and higher the production cost.

Over this winding is deposited a choice of coatings, the lowest cost is again carbon in latex while the best and most expensive is ferrite (iron particles) suspended in a latex or silicone type coating. Covering this finished center conductor is either extruded EPDM or silicone rubber (much the same as carbon core wire). This wire's core performs a number of functions. First the spiral wound conductor conducts the spark energy efficiently and second it acts as a "choke" against the RFI. Thirdly it adds greater physical strength to the wire.

The tighter the windings, the better the choke performs. The diameter of the center conductor is also of paramount importance, as the greater it's diameter becomes, again the better the choke's performance. The use of carbon latex coating further absorbs some RFI,

\ however ferrite is vastly superior in noise suppression, however more expensive as previously mentioned.

There are many differing constructions of mag wire, some economical brands simply wind a fine wire around an existing carbon core wire center. Another economical method is to loose wind the conductor over a small center diameter to cut production costs. Almost anything goes just to call it mag wire.

To design a true mag wire and have it suppress RFI while transferring virtually unimpeded spark energy is no small task. Some manufacturers advertise very low resistances, which when conducting D.C. current (direct current) is good. However ignition systems also generate A.C. (alternating current) voltages which traverse the outer layer of the conductor and is less affected by resistance. For a mag wire to suppress RFI properly it needs a certain amount of resistance.

Along with the afore mentioned spiral wound design and ferrite coating, we get a wire that now has inductive reactance which suppresses RFI. Inductance is a function of the spiral winding and is further enhanced by the ferrite which effectively multiplies it. Without further complexity, the whole idea is to get a balance between conduction and RFI suppression.

Misconceptions

As touched on before, the hotter the spark the better the combustion. This process can be associated with a better transfer of the spark energy from it's source.

Misconception #1 " Any spark is adequate for combustion since it only needs to explode the fuel " - not true. Fuel is meant to burn in a cylinder, not explode (fuel only explodes under such cases as pinging or detonation both of which are quite harmful to an engine). A weak spark may start the combustion process but since there is a finite amount of time for the mixture to burn prior to the exhaust valve opening, a better start of the combustion process will aid in a more complete burn.

Misconception #2 " Hey, I heard too hot a spark burns holes in pistons ? " - NO ! . Improper fuel mixture and/or incorrect ignition timing can cause this, not a strong spark. By assuring a good spark reaches the cylinder, a proper burn of the fuel mixture can take place. Better energy transfer will also increase spark duration which is a function of current flow. The longer the spark is present, the larger the portion of the swirling mixture is ignited which allows more complete combustion. This inevitably gives you the most from the fuel entering the engine.

Misconception #3 " If mag wire is so good wouldn't it come as standard factory equipment ? " Manufacturers have to balance performance and features against production costs. Most replaceable parts on a car can be found in a better quality or higher performance aftermarket version. Spark plug wires are no exception.

Aurora's Design

Now a little about Aurora's design. As mentioned before, the A.C. component of the spark energy travels over the exterior of the conductor. This is why Aurora uses an alloy conductor with a relatively large cross section (commonly twice the cross section of most). Next the conductor is closely wind over a 0.08" diameter core which gives a rather large winding diameter in relation to finished wire size. The winding is then packed with large amounts of ferrite to increase RFI suppression. The conductor is a stainless steel alloy which gives exceptional strength and a planned resistance of 400 ohms/ft. The winding is so close that 22 inches of this conductor is found in every inch of finished ignition wire!

Aurora's insulation choice is a first layer of EPDM, which has a higher dielectric strength than silicone, followed by a nylon tape layer. This nylon tape bonds a silicone outer jacket, chosen for heat resistance and flexibility, to the inner EPDM layer. This tape layer also provides superior bonding as compared to the earlier nylon weave which is still in use by most manufacturers.

Low Resistance

If you are shopping around for spark plug wires, you have probably been bombarded with two heavily advertised features. The first is low resistance. Most would agree that the lower the better right? However be very careful, as too low means that the inductive reactance will also be low and not provide sufficient RFI suppression. One must also remember that conductor cross section is important to the transfer of the A.C. component of the spark energy. Since these alloys have engineered resistance, one cannot ascertain what the diameter really is from a ohms/ft value. Very low resistance wires commonly use copper alloys which are not as structurally strong as stainless steel. Lower in this case is not necessarily better!

Size

The second most advertised feature is size. Just because the wire has a large finished diameter doesn't tell you what is inside. Some manufacturers offer 10 or 11 mm wires, but these have usually proven to be a basic 7mm wire with extra insulation. Aside from robust appearance, it doesn't perform any better than the cheaper 7 mm wire. Often carbon core wire is also sold in large diameter configurations. Aside from it's larger size, don't expect it to work any better that a basic set at half the cost. Aurora has chosen a size of 8.5mm which offers optimal insulation against voltage leakage and heat resistance.

Shop Informed

At Aurora many years of research and development have produced what we consider to be the very finest ignition wire sets you can buy. Our choice was to build a premium quality and performance product using only the finest components. Virtually all applications are covered from foreign and domestic cars, light through heavy duty trucks, marine, forklifts, and Harley Davidson motorcycles. Aurora also engages in custom industrial applications. This article was intended to give a basic understanding of different wire constructions and their effect on vehicle performance.



AUrora sets for HD and BUELL approx $30




http://auroraignitionwires.com/
 
This sounds like a solution looking for a problem. "Our Snake Oil is superior to the other guys product".

Vince
 
For gods sake hobot, nice freakin"BLOG". But I'm not sure I understand. Could you repeat that please? And no copy and paste.
 
It's probably obvious, but I'll point it out anyway. This is normally a non-issue with Commandos. Unless you've got a GPS, radar detector, CB, satellite phone, data logger, audio system, or similar electronics on your Commando, there's really not anything on the bike for the EMI (or RFI if your training in electronics was in the '50s and '60s) to interfere with. It's a real concern for cars, because they are all full of digital electronic systems, which can suffer from electromagnetic interference from ignition systems. On the Commando, the only modern electronics you commonly find are updated electronic ignition systems, and they are the device that generates the radiation, not the one that suffers from it. You might cause a little interference to the audio systems in cars you get close to, but that's about it.

Ken
 
lcrken said:
It's probably obvious, but I'll point it out anyway. This is normally a non-issue with Commandos. Unless you've got a GPS, radar detector, CB, satellite phone, data logger, audio system, or similar electronics on your Commando, there's really not anything on the bike for the EMI (or RFI if your training in electronics was in the '50s and '60s) to interfere with. Ken

It should go without saying the MS Peel will surely be an ultra mondo spy bike with all of these gadgets and much more, so this may actually be relevant......at least to his "Commando".
 
Aw shoot don't be so pisserroony, its just a winter inductive heating post I was sent by a fell I bothered to read though to see if some new electron-smoke sales pitch might sway me that Ms Peel can't live w/o it. I don't think a radio station cable would bother the analog Boyer and not sure if any the electronic units would be bothered by RF our static. I do know that some LED light flashers will turn into syncopated rpm timing lights if no R factor in HT leads. Very Very cool actually so likely Peel may be announced beyond timing light running lights and exhaust note - like a lightening storm approaching though TV and monitors and stereo. Would be educational - if others didn't wait on next Peel to see just what lack of R factor does or don't do.

If I live long enough Peel will have flight cockpit instruments in the fairing besides the other stuff you listed not counting weapon targeting with effects recording back lit by exhaust flame thrower.
 
hobot said:
Aw shoot don't be so pisserroony, its just a winter inductive heating post I was sent by a fell I bothered to read though to see if some new electron-smoke sales pitch might sway me that Ms Peel can't live w/o it. I don't think a radio station cable would bother the analog Boyer and not sure if any the electronic units would be bothered by RF our static. I do know that some LED light flashers will turn into syncopated rpm timing lights if no R factor in HT leads. Very Very cool actually so likely Peel may be announced beyond timing light running lights and exhaust note - like a lightening storm approaching though TV and monitors and stereo. Would be educational - if others didn't wait on next Peel to see just what lack of R factor does or don't do.

If I live long enough Peel will have flight cockpit instruments in the fairing besides the other stuff you listed not counting weapon targeting with effects recording back lit by exhaust flame thrower.
"pisserroony" Awesome, that should be my new handle screen-name.
Steve, I hope you know I mean no "real" harm. You must admit that that is an awful lot of useless Norton Commando information to dissect. I thought I would just blanket it with pisserroony comments. But really, to expect people to read through this and to reflect back their individual wisdom's is just too much to ask, although there are some who will try, just not me. I will however, not ignore your endearing efforts.
 
Ugh this is an obnoxious bunch of text for me to force myself through too and only because a seasoned Nortoneer sent it, so didn't want to not know what he did, ugh.
I perfer thicker cover as lasts longe on vibration rubbing away with THE Gravel grit efficiency.

No offense pvisseriii but your handle makes a brain injured born dyslexic fella see double with curley ques of letters switching places when focused on so copy pasted it just now rather back up and than try to remember one glance to the next, so eariler came up with a cute way to get away with misspelling it w/o enduring eye-brain correct focusing strains, ugh, thanx so now ya know, nothing personal.

Its worthwhile now and then to look at night rather than just feeling I found, while on the fly checking for misfiring reason and finding it...
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQ06vgaq4w[/video]
 
this "blog" - like most by hobot is a case of living in his own private idaho (or Arkansas as the case may be)


>>> It means "living inside an Idaho potato", or a very small space. Metaphorically, it refers to someone who is not paying attention because he is daydreaming, or under the influence, or otherwise wrapped up within his own very narrow sphere of interest or frame of reference.
 
It is just a good advertisement for Aurora spark plug wires. I does a good job of explaining why they are the best. Take it with a grain of salt. Most everything they say is based on the truth but the actual advantages may be very small.
Many Nortons should have resistor wires-if they have a digital ignition or voltage regulator- problems or outright failure can occur due to RFI.
If you need resistor wires then there is definitely an advantage to running the spiral wound wires. They don't fail when they are subjected to vibration like carbon core wires tend to do. Before I started using spiral core wires I was using Belden carbon core wire. I had to replace them every 5000 miles or they would go open.
Some spiral wound resistor wires do not do a very good job of suppressing RFI. Digital ignitions are particularly sensitive to RFI. Aurora's wire sounds like it would work. I have had good results using NAPA "wired for life" spiral core wires also and it is smaller in diameter. Jim
 
At a rally a Triumph racer explained before they had such good insulation he'd store his leads in bags of rice inside his freezer or lost some combustion power to invisible corona glow leakage. Thick insulation is not just for show on Nortons.

Hm, does anyone have a sense if copper HT leads with R sparkplug would prevent a Pazion SureFire from firing at all or just misfire rough run?

If ya can stand more or if ya can't, here's a handful of wire vs resistance vs price comparisons with a few pages banter on from there.
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f77/spa ... es-414289/

Here's an educational test form the above

have a NGK Iridium LZTR6AIX-13, NGK 4306-LZTR5A-13 , and a Stock Champion RE14PLP5. I Installed each plug into the same wire and took readings from the end of the wire to the end of each plug, using the same wire.

Wire with no plug installed - 107.2
Wire with stock Champion - 6210.0
Wire with NGK 4306 - 4280.0
Wire with NGK Iridium - 4090

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Above barely scratches surface of skin conduction at HI potential ringing AC currents and features to seek w/o ever being able to detect any actual benefits.
So don't blame me you are an addict that can't control self from taking more in or not clever enough to take something to calm focus before focusing deeper.
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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/truth.htm
To be effective in carrying the full output from the ignition system and suppressing RFI and EMI in particular, spiral conductors need windings that are microscopically close to one another and precisely spaced and free from conductive coatings. To be more effective, the windings need to be wound over a core of magnetic material — a method too costly for wires sold through mass-merchandisers and most speed shops who purchase only the cheapest (to them) and most heavily promoted products.

Claims of Horsepower Gain

Every brand of spiral conductor ignition wires will perform the function of conducting coil output to the spark plugs, but NONE, despite the claims made in advertisements and other promotional literature, will increase horsepower. Independent tests, including a test performed by Circle Track Magazine (see May, 1996 issue) in the USA, show that NO "low-resistance" ignition wires for which a horsepower increase is claimed do in fact increase
 
Hm, does anyone have a sense if copper HT leads with R sparkplug would prevent a Pazion SureFire from firing at all or just misfire rough run?

I doubt that solid plug wires would keep a sure fire from running but it could scatter the spark advance curve.

When your talking about 20-30 thousand volts and milliamps of current then the difference between solid core wires and 6000 ohms resistance doesn't make enough difference to worry about in actual performance.

The only worry I have ever had with running resistor wires is durability.

Maybe if you were running big boost or nitro fuel then making sure every last volt is available would be worthwhile but for most uses any good ignition system is going to provide plenty of voltage to make up for any resistor wires losses.

Of course with a stock Norton ignition system I would only run solid core wires. They need all the help they can get-spark energy wise. Jim
 
When your talking about 20-30 thousand volts and milliamps of current then the difference between solid core wires and 6000 ohms resistance doesn't make enough difference to worry about in actual performance.

OK dear Norton Messiah, this is my reasoning too, so just grasping at straws to figure out why my Surefire didn't, yet perfect components and tests and install by two Boyer seasoned dudes. Didn't really have Peel in mind or plug leads at all till ya mentioned it and realize can't flip Trixies worn Bumble Bee copper HT again so may get that 6 ft length for sale and pretend it make me brighter. Medical x-rays at our coil potentials are used for hands and feet and elbow thick penetration. Neck spines around 60-70 Kv.

http://www.ehow.com/info_12199978_effec ... ngine.html\\
Your Plug Wires Could be Killing You

There's another side to the electromagnetic radiation equation, and it's one most people don't think about in this age of electronic everything. Electromagnetic radiation is, well, radiation. While the electromagnetic radiation produced by plug wires and cell phones isn't ionizing radiation like X-rays or gamma rays, it can have the same long-term effects on health. The radiation produced by low-impedance, unshielded plug wires is like that produced by high-tension power lines and cell phones, but far more powerful -- and it's sitting about three feet from your personal areas. The carcinogenic and sterilization effects of consistent exposure to high-frequency radio frequency interference are well-studied, and something to seriously consider if you're pregnant or if you plan to spend more than 10 seconds at a time in your car.

Read more: The Effects of High Spark Plug Wire Resistance on a Racing Engine | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_12199978_effec ... z2J8iRoJfn
 
hobot said:
Your Plug Wires Could be Killing You

There's another side to the electromagnetic radiation equation, and it's one most people don't think about in this age of electronic everything. Electromagnetic radiation is, well, radiation. While the electromagnetic radiation produced by plug wires and cell phones isn't ionizing radiation like X-rays or gamma rays, it can have the same long-term effects on health. The radiation produced by low-impedance, unshielded plug wires is like that produced by high-tension power lines and cell phones, but far more powerful -- and it's sitting about three feet from your personal areas. The carcinogenic and sterilization effects of consistent exposure to high-frequency radio frequency interference are well-studied, and something to seriously consider if you're pregnant or if you plan to spend more than 10 seconds at a time in your car.

Completely wrong. This does happen to be one of my areas of real expertise in my pre-retirement life, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate anyone on the facts of radiation hazards to personnel, or the difference between the radiation from low frequency, high voltage, power lines, and that from low power ignition systems. This is right up there with tinfoil hats to keep the aliens from reading your thoughts. There is no health hazard to you from RF radiation from your bikes ignition system, period.

Ken
 
Aw shoot Ken, I'm licensed to irradiate people so well know the details your nit picking on and just included the quote on radiation for fun. Radiation just means to project away form a source, be it RF antenna EMF like our HT leads or energetic warming photons like head lights or ionizing x-rays or parts of atoms, electrons or protons shot out to impact on other things. I"ve a Tri-meter that measures electric potential fields and magnetic force fields and ionizing microwave or RF photons below visible light freq. Will have to see how strong and far out our ignition and charging system projects. Next wave of ignitions will use lasers or microwaves to resonate the hardest electron shells to kick out of orbits and react with Oxygen in hardest to burn molecules for most complete and fast combustion possible short of detonation. Then can just detach the wave guide to weld plastic or DIY ablative surgery.

Sparkplug ignitor high tension supression cables


This is more what I seek for Ms Peel HT timing light map reading leads.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sEs4apJPg[/video]
 
I noticed a difference when I changed to Magnacore wires from Packard 440, on my Norton. That's with a Boyer & a Drouin.

Bruce MacGregor
 
Bruce you post is only one that might apply to Peel with extra hard to ignite HI CR into the upper teens and water sprayed. What did ya notice?

There is also effects of plug gap indexing that I see reports of better idle and low down response and some power increase with hi rpm. I do want to embarrass them new Ducati's and main reason to jump to 920 instead of 750 was introduction of the 1198. Peel did the rail road track type side way leaping HS Thompson is so famous for, but Peel didn't need the RR hump approach ramp to get air borne sideways completely at ease. All life styles are fatal, hope once it enough.

“Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”

HS Thompson

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