Question about Brexit

Poles, Estonians, Romanians etc. All have been superb, and have sometimes left me for dust with their work ethic. Can only speak as I find. Maybe different trades work in different ways.
 
Yes, you cant just say "all" of any group.
I have similar experiences here, I work with South American/Mexican folks usually everyday.

It is usually the older guys, born elsewhere who work like crazy, never complain and are always smiling. The second gen guys, usually my age or younger can be a little lazy but still hard workers. Conclusion, Americans are lazy!

Just kidding, but it really burns me up when folks rip on immigrants from South of the border. Those folks travelled thousands of miles and risked their lives to be here. Don't blame them for working for less $$ than you, blame your employer for selling you out.
 
Pushed it n rode it said:
Poles, Estonians, Romanians etc. All have been superb, and have sometimes left me for dust with their work ethic. Can only speak as I find. Maybe different trades work in different ways.
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I have also worked and still work with all of the above nationalities
I get on fine with them
I'd say in general they work the same as the British blokes (fabrication welding)
The only thing I don't like that they do is the standing on the toilet seat to take a crap
This really does my head in, we have endless broken toilet seats plus dirty boot marks etc etc
 
First Experienced the standing on the toilet thing when in Afghanistan, just unbelieveble. Growing up in Houston and having worked in many industries, most recently at an FAA Part 135 maintence facility working on Boeing 757's converting them from passenger liners to Freight liners (basically we would cut a big hole in the side and install the cargo door) anyway the team I was on was made up mostly of spanish speaking immigrants, one guy was from Cuba, one from Peru, Chile & Mexico, one other retired navy guy like me and two guys from Alabama. We were one of the most working-est crews in that hangar, other teams would burn off all the hours allotted for a particular task. Then when the jobs were turned in and re-disributed out the next week, we'd end up with jobs cards that had maybe have an hour left on them, but we'd wrap it up and our lead would figure out how to allocated the time. Sounds like I'm tooting my own horn here, but many of the "American" guys constantly talked shite about how employees should be able to read write and speak english in order to get the job. Usually those guys were the ones burning up the alloted time and not getting the task done. That hangar was hot as all get out because it was in Mobile, Alabama (talking summer time---I'd go thru 4 shirts in a day sweating like crazy). Also experienced the same kind of thing on a contract in San Antonio, Texas. Local guys complaining about their spanish speaking counterparts.
 
cjandme said:
First Experienced the standing on the toilet thing when in Afghanistan, just unbelieveble. Growing up in Houston and having worked in many industries, most recently at an FAA Part 135 maintence facility working on Boeing 757's converting them from passenger liners to Freight liners (basically we would cut a big hole in the side and install the cargo door) anyway the team I was on was made up mostly of spanish speaking immigrants, one guy was from Cuba, one from Peru, Chile & Mexico, one other retired navy guy like me and two guys from Alabama. We were one of the most working-est crews in that hangar, other teams would burn off all the hours allotted for a particular task. Then when the jobs were turned in and re-disributed out the next week, we'd end up with jobs cards that had maybe have an hour left on them, but we'd wrap it up and our lead would figure out how to allocated the time. Sounds like I'm tooting my own horn here, but many of the "American" guys constantly talked shite about how employees should be able to read write and speak english in order to get the job. Usually those guys were the ones burning up the alloted time and not getting the task done. That hangar was hot as all get out because it was in Mobile, Alabama (talking summer time---I'd go thru 4 shirts in a day sweating like crazy). Also experienced the same kind of thing on a contract in San Antonio, Texas. Local guys complaining about their spanish speaking counterparts.
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When it comes to labor, work ethic is the only language worth a damn, I see it everyday.
 
Pushed it n rode it said:
Poles, Estonians, Romanians etc. All have been superb, and have sometimes left me for dust with their work ethic. Can only speak as I find. Maybe different trades work in different ways.
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so why come for the easy money? rebuild their own country! oops. didn't we fight a war and lose 100,000s of men to free them. then have rationing and the rest. there ya go you lot. help ya bloody selves!!!!!!
 
if they've left you for dust. you really need to put your back into it! no way do they work hard. come on the sites with me and watch 5 of them watching a jcb dig a bloody hole!
 
That's why they invented machinery, to make it easy for us all. And a job for me to repair it when it breaks. Not seen too many builders doing 12 hour nights, putting their back into it either ???
 
Pushed it n rode it said:
That's why they invented machinery, to make it easy for us all. And a job for me to repair it when it breaks. Not seen too many builders doing 12 hour nights, putting their back into it either ???
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tell me you are joking. I was running the ladder at 15 unloading brick lorries by hand. I have no sick/holiday pay. we don't have a limit on the weights of the materials we lay. you try taking a half ton rsj through a house then installing it on hundred weight pad stones by hand! that's what I did with 2 others last week. i'm in my sixties ! watching would have made you need a sit down. Never lecture me on hard work. Asians do 12 hrs shifts behind tills at garages. they wouldn't or wouldn't be able to do mine
 
Blimey you did get a tad excited, I won't give you my work history but let's say my back is knackered, knees etc from years of putting my back into it, which you inferred I hadn't.
 
In post WW2 Australia, one of our first Prime Ministers was Bob Menzies. According to my mother, he once said -' Australia will never be any good until we have unemployment'. The simple fact is that if you are being indoctrinated for manipulation purposes, and are aware of it, the indoctrination cannot work. We all get used, but sometimes it gets beyond a joke. I don't know whether I am cynical or a realist, but I have been around a bit and everywhere I have been, the bullshit has been the same. In one job I had when I was 60, I was quite highly paid on contract. They wanted me on staff at a lower rate. So my boss started comments such as 'isn't it good we have a YOUNG workforce'. But the whole thing was bullshit anyway. The Production Manager told me 'we only make practice ammunition here. If the army wants the real stuff, they buy it from the Americans'. - At that time I had been driving 200 Km at 4 AM each Monday morning to get up there to do that job as part of the Design Group.
The simple fact is that in Australia, most companies have absolutely no idea about quality management, however quality and business excellence are the only basis on which Australia can compete globally and still sustain its wages and prices structure. In effect we have been sold out by politicians who cannot lead effectively. The biggest joke was when the leader of the conservatives was a economist university professor. He did not know where his arse was, so lost an unlosable election. - John Hewson - and he is still around talking bullshit. You have to laugh, it never stops.
 
I have worked under the worst outdoor conditions you can find anywhere many 40hr+ straight through .... funny thing the O.T. rate would change back to regular rate at Midnight even though none of us had even stopped to eat other than a quick coffee ....that what happens when water main breaks from frost moving at -25C in ritzy neighbourhood in my part of the world, my crews orders always were stay till it done right ,to last next 100 yrs , most of pipe we maintained was laid in mid 1800’s , all my crew were locals: black ,white and First Nations , never any issues at all , everyone came to work despite being unionized ....too proud to “baby out” .... Friday afternoons waiting to punch out featured good natured feats of strength etc. , they were great days until , younger maybe not so motivated guys started infiltrating our gang ....
 
Heavy engineering industry takes its toll, steel, wood, brick, it's going to wear us out. Could be worse, maybe die of a paper cut in the office. Respect to all grafters.
 
Way more rewarding to be outside getting whatever needs doing done , ended off my work time as process operator for 3 years ,not near as much fun , only got outside to gather samples from our reservoir couple days a week
 
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