You took money out of your retirement account for a motorcycle? Not the sellers problem if you decide to pay a premium for funds. Try to remember that a seller has no tangible obligation to complete the deal until money is exchanged, control your emotions, pick the escrow company yourself. Good luck on the next one.SnortenNorten said:
PROBLEM WITH SELLER ON CYCLE TRADER SCAM???
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If you didn't leave a deposit than you're just as to blame. I had a deal with an out of town Audi Dealer in Chicago for a car 4 years ago. I had plane ticket in hand to fly to chicago to buy the car and drive home. I got a call in the morning before the flight that they sold the car to someone the night before. They said even though we had a verbal deal ..they had someone cash in hand on location. So they sold it.
Lesson Learned. If you want it, find a way to pay for it and be protected. Use Paypal or Ebay. Also, I always pay with American Express. Best in the business for customer service. If there is fraud involved, they will back you up.
Lesson Learned. If you want it, find a way to pay for it and be protected. Use Paypal or Ebay. Also, I always pay with American Express. Best in the business for customer service. If there is fraud involved, they will back you up.
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About 15 years ago I was looking for a motorhome, used. I found what I wanted online and sent the seller a deposit. As I had already planned a family trip to California, I told the seller I wouldn't be able to pickup the motor home for two weeks. No problem, he said. A week later I called to see if he had received my deposit. He told me the motor home was gone. Sold it to someone else. He did return my deposit. If you want it, go get it. Deposits mean very little against full purchase cash in hand.
Another story about deposits. About thirty years ago I was selling a van. Fella gave me a deposit check on a Friday. Said he would be back on Tuesday and pick up the van. His deposit check bounced when I presented it at his bank. On Saturday another guy bought the van. Paid cash. When the check kiter called on Tuesday to ask when he could pick up the van he got all pissed at me for selling the van. Takes all kinds, I guess.
Don't let anything go until you see the money. Don't pay for anything sight unseen. Can't go too wrong that way.
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Al-otment said:
The photos are usually taken from some other listing. Better do some reading before you get burned.
Here's a good place to start:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams
And here's another one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_Scams
Many of these scams have originated from Nigeria, which is what the poster above was referring to.
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This is Steve, the OP. I just wanted to say -thank you- to all of you who posted a reply to this. Now why I didn't write for advice here -first- I'll never know. For someone almost 60, I should have known better. My bad. I'm sorry to burden you all with my problems. I just didn't want someone else to run into problems, that's all. What money I've lost is only because of my stupidity.
I'm in poor health, and told to find something to occupy my mind and spirit while I go through a tough time. I haven't had a bike in thirty years, and maybe all I would have ended up doing, was sit on a milk crate and polish it. But it was something to lead my forward, hope I guess. I'm not looking for sympathy, but I hope this explains how I could have made so darn many mistakes with this fellow. And for the gentleman who wondered why I would pay penalties on my IRA funds to buy a motorcycle, I trust you now understand that "time waits for no man" as I have unfortunately found out. But that's life!
My gosh... just as one of you mentioned, this guy if he was savvy enough, could have also quickly made up a fake escrow website page. And guess what... I would have immediately sent my full $9,000. As we all know... just plain -stupid of me-.
Or as another of you fine fellows pointed out, even the mileage did not jive. And not by a few hundred miles, normal I would guess if you drove it after placing the ad, but off by over a third, a whopping 6,700 miles! This fellow lists the mileage as 17,500, and the bike actually has 24,266 miles. Again my bad... all I could do I guess, was sit there like an idiot and stare at all the pretty pictures without putting 2 and 2 together.
At least when my wife and I first thought something was not quite right, was when this fellow stated: "I'm not waiting around for the shipping truck and waste my vacation." ??? We hadn't even begun to talk about the shipper coming!? Again... always a push for the money and to get the deal done and over with. I wrote the seller: "I know I owe you this money, and I promise I will get it all to you just as quickly as I possibly can."
Thank you once again for all your support and the lessons I have now learned from you. You certainly seem like a fine bunch of fellows. God Willing... Someday I will have a Norton! God Bless.
I'm in poor health, and told to find something to occupy my mind and spirit while I go through a tough time. I haven't had a bike in thirty years, and maybe all I would have ended up doing, was sit on a milk crate and polish it. But it was something to lead my forward, hope I guess. I'm not looking for sympathy, but I hope this explains how I could have made so darn many mistakes with this fellow. And for the gentleman who wondered why I would pay penalties on my IRA funds to buy a motorcycle, I trust you now understand that "time waits for no man" as I have unfortunately found out. But that's life!
My gosh... just as one of you mentioned, this guy if he was savvy enough, could have also quickly made up a fake escrow website page. And guess what... I would have immediately sent my full $9,000. As we all know... just plain -stupid of me-.
Or as another of you fine fellows pointed out, even the mileage did not jive. And not by a few hundred miles, normal I would guess if you drove it after placing the ad, but off by over a third, a whopping 6,700 miles! This fellow lists the mileage as 17,500, and the bike actually has 24,266 miles. Again my bad... all I could do I guess, was sit there like an idiot and stare at all the pretty pictures without putting 2 and 2 together.
At least when my wife and I first thought something was not quite right, was when this fellow stated: "I'm not waiting around for the shipping truck and waste my vacation." ??? We hadn't even begun to talk about the shipper coming!? Again... always a push for the money and to get the deal done and over with. I wrote the seller: "I know I owe you this money, and I promise I will get it all to you just as quickly as I possibly can."
Thank you once again for all your support and the lessons I have now learned from you. You certainly seem like a fine bunch of fellows. God Willing... Someday I will have a Norton! God Bless.
Mate don't stress. That is not what it is about and from what you indicate you don't need any more stress.
Stick to the golden rules
Purchase what you can touch
Scrutinize the crap out of everything
Ask every question you can think of, twice or thrice if you feel something doesn't add up.
If you're not happy, walk away
Inspect everything
Pull apart what you can, seat side covers primary gearbox cover. It goes to seeing the condition of the bike.
Hire a pickup, go for a drive, enjoy yourself
Change the game.
Realise that one day you are going to die so what have you got to lose!!
Stick to the golden rules
Purchase what you can touch
Scrutinize the crap out of everything
Ask every question you can think of, twice or thrice if you feel something doesn't add up.
If you're not happy, walk away
Inspect everything
Pull apart what you can, seat side covers primary gearbox cover. It goes to seeing the condition of the bike.
Hire a pickup, go for a drive, enjoy yourself
Change the game.
Realise that one day you are going to die so what have you got to lose!!
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debby said:
Many - but not all. It's called jumping to conclusions. Sometimes people advocate what suits their personal prejudices.
Quote from Wiki,
"Nations with a high incidence of this fraud include; the United States, the United Kingdom, Nigeria, South Africa, Ivory Coast, Benin, Togo, Russia, Pakistan, India, the Netherlands, and Spain."
You'll notice Nigeria is only one country with a high incidence of the 419 scam. Countries within the Balkan region aren't even mentioned.
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SnortenNorten said:
Sorry to hear about your health situation. Your strategy is still a good one, the therapy factor of a motorcycle (or two) is real, and I can attest to that.
I'm 61 and last year I went through a divorce after almost 40 years of marriage. I bought a bike to "play" with to get my mind off things and I loved it so much I ended up buying 6 more bikes and am putting a shop together to work on them.
I hadn't ridden or owned a motorcycle for almost 40 years.
It took a little bit to get back into riding (seems as we age our fear factor goes up), but it came back and I really enjoy riding again although much different than when I was in my 20's.
Right now I am recovering from surgery and my Norton is keeping me company with parts of it in my dining room
Keep looking and make sure you get your hands on the bike this time before any money is exchanged.
Good luck and Happy Riding.
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Good bikes come up for sale in the classified section of this forum from time to time. You could always put a feeler out in the wanted section here. I noticed that Greg (Decent Cycles) recently had this one for sale and it didn't fetch the reserve price. It might still be for sale. Greg has been around and has been part of this forum for a long time. While I have never met him personally, he is part of the community and not likely to disappear in smoke.
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Rohan said:
You're a dick head if you randomly hand out your bank or credit card details. You're also a dick head if you make sweeping statements as in the above. So that's approx. 60 million people of all ages, from several different countries, of different ethnicity all involved in fraudulent activities. Ever heard of racism?
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Snorton74 said:
Yeah, well done Snorton, excellent bit of research there. That link is obviously conclusive evidence regarding the corruption within the Balkans.
In which country did the Enron scandal take place by the way - and the nationality of the perpetrators? You and Rohan should get together and form a brain cell :wink:
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The EU organisation recognise both Bulgaria and Romania as the most corrupt countries in Europe, there is no racism allowed in the EU organisation so you cannot pin that one on them.
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=156075
and no one can ever accuse The Independent newspaper of being racist
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09396.html
The fact is they are corrupt through to the core and joining the EU has made no difference.
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=156075
and no one can ever accuse The Independent newspaper of being racist
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09396.html
The fact is they are corrupt through to the core and joining the EU has made no difference.
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kommando said:
The Independent article is highlighting the corruption within government. To accuse a whole nation of fraudulent activities is racist. Countries with high incidences of the 419 scam include U.S.A and the U.K., but this fact dosen't suit some peoples political opinions, easier to find a scapegoat to blame for all the rip-offs.
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