norvil electric start

Alternatively, tension adjustment could be achieved via an eccentric sprocket fixture, either on crank or clutch. Some pedal bikes with belt drive internal gear hubs have these.

I subscribe to the old skool thinking that the simplest solution is usually the best.

Fixed centres is the simplest solution with zero added potential failure modes.

I guess the belt would need replacing more often, rather than adjusting. But they’re peanuts, so a small price to pay IMO.
 
This E Start looks like it might fit a Featherbed and still allow the magneto to remain. Of course it will be a one off machining nightmare even IF it can be wedged under the battery box and oil tank.

Slick
 
Regarding design of the E-start, having an outside idler is a favourable arrangement for increasing number of grooves in contact with the belt at the driving sprocket. In this application however, the outside idler is far too small for a power drive. Going by the Gates GT2 design manual (other vendors will have similar recommendations), the recommended idler size is 1.3 x the size of an inside idler, which should be of the same size to the driving sprocket and no larger than 40 grooves. Hence, an outside idler should have a diameter corresponding to 35 to 50 grooves, which the current design clearly doesn't have. On the positive side we note that arc angle between the tangent lines is small, so directional change is quite low.

The disadvantage of having an outside idler is that the cord is subjected to alternating stresses rather than pure swelling stresses, which will reduce life expectancy, even though the belt's tension is low. The smaller the idler, the larger the stresses will be, hence the requirement for a large diameter idler.

The designer/builder of this kit claims he has used the setup for 10 years. At the time he made the comment, he was on his 3rd belt, so we may assume a life span of approx. 3.5 years. He didn't tell the audience which mileage he covered though, and we may guess that total mileage isn't a huge figure. When using this kit, carrying a spare belt on long trips may be a good idea.


Edit: The above does not apply to the production kit offered by Norvil, which despensed of an idler.

- Knut
 
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Just out of interest I want to have a look, but navigating around that website is a nightmare.
 
Regarding design of the E-start, having an outside idler is a favourable arrangement for increasing number of grooves in contact with the belt at the driving sprocket. In this application however, the outside idler is far too small for a power drive. Going by the Gates GT2 design manual (other vendors will have similar recommendations), the recommended idler size is 1.3 x the size of an inside idler, which should be of the same size to the driving sprocket and no larger than 40 grooves. Hence, an outside idler should have a diameter corresponding to 35 to 50 grooves, which the current design clearly doesn't have. On the positive side we note that arc angle between the tangent lines is small, so directional change is quite low.

The disadvantage of having an outside idler is that the cord is subjected to alternating stresses rather than pure swelling stresses, which will reduce life expectancy, even though the belt's tension is low. The smaller the idler, the larger the stresses will be, hence the requirement for a large diameter idler.

The designer/builder of this kit claims he has used the setup for 10 years. At the time he made the comment, he was on his 3rd belt, so we may assume a life span of approx. 3.5 years. He didn't tell the audience which mileage he covered though, and we may guess that total mileage isn't a huge figure. When using this kit, carrying a spare belt on long trips may be a good idea.

- Knut
the email for Norvil I just got advertising the kit only shows the components, but not the assembly, so not clear to me if it has an idler/ tensioner??
 
It says it's "Direct Drive" but from the parts pictures it looks as though the starter turns the clutch basket.
I suppose in these days of gender fluidity, as long as it "identifies" as a direct drive?
“Direct” can mean lots of things. Maybe they mean it will start in gear.
 
the email for Norvil I just got advertising the kit only shows the components, but not the assembly, so not clear to me if it has an idler/ tensioner??
You are right! No idler in the kit's content list. Norvil obviously managed to work on the gearing and pulled gearbox as far back as possible with the new cradle. This is apparent by looking at the sliding disc.

- Knut
 
I really wonder how many of these will get sold. As mentioned earlier they are a bit late to the show. They are definitely mechanically the most simple of the three options available, but what a job to fit. Plus, Including VAT it is over £850 more that the Alton, and you cannot use the beloved Ham Can. I'm not sure how the price compares for a CNW setup in the U.K. Anyone bought one recently?
 
Fitted an Alton starter to my Fastback LR and it was a straightforward fit that works great, Getting on a bit now and kicking my Nortons is a bit of a pain !
My 750 Roadster also has one fitted, not working when I purchased the bike but an easy fix. no troubles and the Alton after sales is said to be very good, the new kit seems a bit of a major job on first look.
 
Regarding design of the E-start, having an outside idler is a favourable arrangement for increasing number of grooves in contact with the belt at the driving sprocket. In this application however, the outside idler is far too small for a power drive. Going by the Gates GT2 design manual (other vendors will have similar recommendations), the recommended idler size is 1.3 x the size of an inside idler, which should be of the same size to the driving sprocket and no larger than 40 grooves. Hence, an outside idler should have a diameter corresponding to 35 to 50 grooves, which the current design clearly doesn't have. On the positive side we note that arc angle between the tangent lines is small, so directional change is quite low.

The disadvantage of having an outside idler is that the cord is subjected to alternating stresses rather than pure swelling stresses, which will reduce life expectancy, even though the belt's tension is low. The smaller the idler, the larger the stresses will be, hence the requirement for a large diameter idler.

The designer/builder of this kit claims he has used the setup for 10 years. At the time he made the comment, he was on his 3rd belt, so we may assume a life span of approx. 3.5 years. He didn't tell the audience which mileage he covered though, and we may guess that total mileage isn't a huge figure. When using this kit, carrying a spare belt on long trips may be a good idea.


Edit: The above does not apply to the production kit offered by Norvil, which despensed of an idler.

- Knut
But the sudden high torque demand on the belt for starting will definitely shorten its life.
Sprags are pretty well sorted these days
 
the fitting instructions are now available: there is no tensioner: it is machined for correct tension.
There are also two versions of a paper airfilter and housing ( 1or 2 carbs) that is shorter in vertical dimension. These could be useful for other set-ups too. Also incorporates an outrigger bearing and plate as previously mentioned and new swing arm spindle. Says you cannot use bronze clutch plates with the kit, but no explanantion...???
 
the fitting instructions are now available: there is no tensioner: it is machined for correct tension.
There are also two versions of a paper airfilter and housing ( 1or 2 carbs) that is shorter in vertical dimension. These could be useful for other set-ups too. Also incorporates an outrigger bearing and plate as previously mentioned and new swing arm spindle. Says you cannot use bronze clutch plates with the kit, but no explanantion...???
A good option for those wanting to use Maney race cases …
 
the fitting instructions are now available: there is no tensioner: it is machined for correct tension.
There are also two versions of a paper airfilter and housing ( 1or 2 carbs) that is shorter in vertical dimension. These could be useful for other set-ups too. Also incorporates an outrigger bearing and plate as previously mentioned and new swing arm spindle. Says you cannot use bronze clutch plates with the kit, but no explanantion...???
I can only speculate that it's because bronze plates need to run in an oil bath primary?
 
the fitting instructions are now available: there is no tensioner: it is machined for correct tension.
There are also two versions of a paper airfilter and housing ( 1or 2 carbs) that is shorter in vertical dimension. These could be useful for other set-ups too. Also incorporates an outrigger bearing and plate as previously mentioned and new swing arm spindle. Says you cannot use bronze clutch plates with the kit, but no explanantion...???
searching their web site but cannot find the fitting instructions. Can you give me a hint where i can find them?
 
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