New Amals Replace Mikuni - What a difference!

This gender taste of things goes beyond the mere plumbing parts, so either sex can display big balls behavior/attitude or worry their shoes don't match their outfit. I've had couple of contests with women while on Peel in her prime and it pissed one off but excited the ass off the other who wiggled her impressive skin tight cheeks at me on a stop, much to the dismay-anger of her big boy friend in same brand name leathers. He on R1 and her on R6 could not catch Peel with a single 34 Miki in the twistes and would not keep up in straights after disccussion to check their speedo with Peels ole Smith clock. I was disappointed-bored by that so didn't bother to let Peel top out, pulled over to let em pass to see if that would speed em up, which is how she came to be right in front on last "contact".

He on R1 and her on R6 could not catch Peel with a single 34 Miki in the twistes and would not keep up in straights

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absurd statement

explain how your single carbed Commando with some 44 hp can both out handle and stay ahead of an R1

perhaps you did not know that a R1 has 130hp and a top speed of 180?

the riders did not consult with you in advance and know that they were supposed to open their throttles?

explain how the laws of physics are suspended when your 45 year old Norton contends with two of the most powerful production modern bikes ever built.....

just absurd

highdesert said:

He on R1 and her on R6 could not catch Peel with a single 34 Miki in the twistes and would not keep up in straights

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absurd statement

explain how your single carbed Commando with some 44 hp can both out handle and stay ahead of an R1

perhaps you did not know that a R1 has 130hp and a top speed of 180?

the riders did not consult with you in advance and know that they were supposed to open their throttles?

explain how the laws of physics are suspended when your 45 year old Norton contends with two of the most powerful production modern bikes ever built.....

just absurd

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+1 only to add that with a single 34 mm Carb the Norton would not likely put out 44 HP. Somebody posted a dyno run with a 34 mm Mikuni conversion here awhile ago, if memory serves it made 38 HP?

Glen

phil yates said:

So what is the answer?
Can you guys get ethanol free gasoline or not?

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Yes, at least in Idaho. We pay a bit of a premium, but, as I found out with fuel-injected autos, the savings in fuel more than offsets the extra cost. Lower operating costs, no worries of what the ethanol might be doing to the fuel system; win-win!

highdesert said:

He on R1 and her on R6 could not catch Peel with a single 34 Miki in the twistes and would not keep up in straights

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absurd statement

explain how your single carbed Commando with some 44 hp can both out handle and stay ahead of an R1

perhaps you did not know that a R1 has 130hp and a top speed of 180?

the riders did not consult with you in advance and know that they were supposed to open their throttles?

explain how the laws of physics are suspended when your 45 year old Norton contends with two of the most powerful production modern bikes ever built.....

just absurd

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It's a Peel thing, you wouldn't understand.

It must have been something like this incident

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

I've always thought that's the way they go on, not that I've ever removed them, the intake carb gizmoes that is.

No ethenol is just about unobtanium here in VA, although I understand there are places to get it, but not near me. I can get avgas much closer.

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worntorn said:

I don't think carbs, in any number will make you into a real man. When I was in school there was a very pretty girl who rode a Yamaha DT 1 , of course a single with a single Carb. After high school she purchased a twin Carb Bonneville. I saw her now and again, she was still very pretty and feminine. Last time I saw her was a couple of years ago, she rides a fuel injected bike now, but has owned and ridden bikes with as many as four carbuerators. She had not turned into a real man in any way, was just as feminine as ever.

Glen

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When I bought my first Mikuni carburettor, it came supplied with a dress in the box.
I put that on. I think I looked pretty cute.

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I bet you still wear it too

Nater_Potater said:

phil yates said:

So what is the answer?
Can you guys get ethanol free gasoline or not?

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Yes, at least in Idaho. We pay a bit of a premium, but, as I found out with fuel-injected autos, the savings in fuel more than offsets the extra cost. Lower operating costs, no worries of what the ethanol might be doing to the fuel system; win-win!

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Okay thanks. Assuming this is so all over the States, no idiot should be melting fibreglass tanks etc. unless they are too stupid and miserable that they are buying cheap fuel. I can't tolerate idiots!

Nater_Potater said:

phil yates said:

So what is the answer?
Can you guys get ethanol free gasoline or not?

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Yes, at least in Idaho. We pay a bit of a premium, but, as I found out with fuel-injected autos, the savings in fuel more than offsets the extra cost. Lower operating costs, no worries of what the ethanol might be doing to the fuel system; win-win!

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Rare as hen's teeth in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. According to my iPhone app, "Pure Gas", the closest ethanol-free is 50 miles from me in Gainsville, TX.

I keep 100LL avgas in one of my bikes which doesn't get ridden enough. That stuff practically keeps forever.

MikeG said:

phil yates said:

worntorn said:

I don't think carbs, in any number will make you into a real man. When I was in school there was a very pretty girl who rode a Yamaha DT 1 , of course a single with a single Carb. After high school she purchased a twin Carb Bonneville. I saw her now and again, she was still very pretty and feminine. Last time I saw her was a couple of years ago, she rides a fuel injected bike now, but has owned and ridden bikes with as many as four carbuerators. She had not turned into a real man in any way, was just as feminine as ever.

Glen

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When I bought my first Mikuni carburettor, it came supplied with a dress in the box.
I put that on. I think I looked pretty cute.

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I bet you still wear it too

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You just don't listen do you?
I said I wear the pants around here!!

But I do like putting that dress on from time to time.
And I always wear lippy when I go to the pub!

Bonwit said:

Nater_Potater said:

phil yates said:

So what is the answer?
Can you guys get ethanol free gasoline or not?

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Yes, at least in Idaho. We pay a bit of a premium, but, as I found out with fuel-injected autos, the savings in fuel more than offsets the extra cost. Lower operating costs, no worries of what the ethanol might be doing to the fuel system; win-win!

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Rare as hen's teeth in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. According to my iPhone app, "Pure Gas", the closest ethanol-free is 50 miles from me in Gainsville, TX.

I keep 100LL avgas in one of my bikes which doesn't get ridden enough. That stuff practically keeps forever.

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In Australia, there are usually only a couple of pumps per gas station with gasoline/ethanol. The split is 10% ethanol.
The rest of the pumps offer gasoline with different octane ratings. I run the 850 on 95 octane. When the 850 first came out in 1973, part of the advertising speel was that it would run on "standard" gasoline. From memory, standard gasoline was around 92 octane. There was standard or super which was again I think 98 octane. You would never dare run a Combat on standard. Mine used to "ping" under load on super, even with methanol added which I had access to, working as a kid in a gas station on weekends.

I am going to research this fuel issue a bit further. I posted earlier that these modern lead free "dry" fuels caused my Mikuni slide to stick and that problem was cured by adding a bit of upper cylinder lubricant to the fuel tank.

I also have access to avgas as I own an aeroplane. You are not supposed to use it for any other purpose (govt rules over here would drive you friggin nuts!!) but I can do what I like. Still, I don't fancy trying to refuel the Norton from jerry cans. Maybe I'll just ride her down to the air field and gas her up straight from the fuel shed.

That would turn a few heads!!

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Bonwit said:

dave M said:

The other thing I have found is to screw on the metal locating rings for the boots with the flange facing forward, it seems somewhat counter- intuitive but gives a few mm extra clearance and every bit helps in this tight environment.

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Brilliant idea! Wish I'd thought of it at the time.

Thanks!

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That's the way they should face anyway.

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Doah! looking at the parts manual, I see that now. Made the switch today. More better!

Well, I've had Bonwit's rejected-dejected 34mm single Mikuni on the old girl now for a week/200 miles, and, after a couple of pilot jets changes (started at 40, dropped to 30, ended-up at 32.5), I'm ecstatic! Sure, I'm basing that off of 10,000+ mile Amals, but I've been around long enough to know a good thing when I see it. That's not to say that I wouldn't like the Premiers even more, but the wallet blah-blah-blah...
This morning on the way into work, some joker in a rice-burner dove off ahead of me into my favorite shunt lane that swoops off the side of the interstate. Not being one to be left out of the fun, I followed it in "just to observe". Picture a quarter-mile stretch that has a fairly gentle right-hand sweeper, followed by a bit tighter left-hand, then dumping back onto the interstate in an opening-up right bank. It doesn't get a lot of traffic, the surface has great traction, and all three turns are nicely supered.
I gave the Sake-sucker some room, and I'm glad I did! As I came roaring up behind him exiting the third turn, I glanced at the speedo in time to see the needle sweeping past 90 mph! This is the first time I've ever had her going that fast. Thanks to all the input I've garnered from this forum, the isos, swingarm clamps, and tires worked wonderfully. She railed over in the turns as if there was plenty left to give. Very confidence inspiring, to say the least.

Based on that little jaunt, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that she'll go well over the ton with that piece of junk Mikey carb. That, and no more stink-finger, and it'll idle at the traffic lights without needing steady pressure on the twist grip.

By the way, Bonwit, you forgot to include the dress when you sent me the carb. Don't worry about the lipstick, though, as I'm sure my wife can recommend something that would suit my complexion...

phil yates said:

When I bought my first Mikuni carburettor, it came supplied with a dress in the box.
I put that on. I think I looked pretty cute.
And I always wear lippy when I go to the pub!

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It's funny when you block certain peoples posts who are always in a pissing match there isn't much of a post left to read.
Just saying.
What's become of Access Norton.
Where's the civility.

Re: ethanol free gas availability in US. In order to improve air quality the EPA mandates that only rfg gasoline can be sold in certain areas, generally big cities and their surrounding areas. Refiners used to meet the rfg requirement by using mtbe but a few ago switched to ethanol. There may me some special exceptions like marinas but no regular station in the EPA defined poor air quality area will sell ethanol free gas. The further you get out into the boondocks the better your chance of finding it. If you look on the website that list the towns that have the ethanol free you will see the majority are in rural areas.
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm

Guido said:

It's funny when you block certain peoples posts who are always in a pissing match there isn't much of a post left to read.
Just saying.
What's become of Access Norton.
Where's the civility.

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Where, indeed?
If you go back through Phil Yates posts as of late, you'll find a crazy jumble of tongue-in-cheek postings that are quite funny. Granted, some don't see them as such, but, nevertheless, I enjoy his writings. I was merely hoping to invoke a torrid response from him. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my comments.
Besides, Phil and Bonwit are big boys. If they're upset with my jab, you can believe they'll let us all know!
You'll kindly note that a large percentage of my posting was centered around my recent excitement over the latest chapter with the Commando.
Or, am I too far out of line? Moderators, please let me know.
Nathan

DogT said:

I don't bother trying to fit that ham can back on with the carbs in the way, I just take the time to put the carbs on after the ham can. To me it's worth the bother.

Dave

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What. ???????????????????????? If you can get someone to help you, all you have to do after removing the filter bolts is squeeze the front filter plate forward, and the filter rotates out the LHS easily. I do put some cardboard over the primary cover to prevent scratching. BTW, I do prefer the original rubber boots as they are softer. the modern equivalent seems to split easily.

I'm happy that you're getting good results with your new carbs .I am in the Mikuni camp,in fact, every one of my old British bikes has them. The problem some have with a Mikuni set up is that they buy the conversion kits which are supposed to be "jetted correctly" ,but in reality they never are. Each bike is different. The advantage of the Mikuni is it's ability to precisely dial in each circuit on the carb to give you exactly what you need. Most don't want to bother to do that,or don't know how. The end result is a bike that is out of tune,or "good enough" I spend a ton of time dialing in my Mikuni set ups,but once you get them right you never have to touch them again. Just my 2 cents.......Skip

This is an interesting topic to me. First post I ever put in the forum. And pete.v thought it was a very good post. Something obviously went very wrong after that. Shame.

I've just ridden a MkIII today with twin Amals. Much the same as I remember. Idle erratic and no extra performance noted beyond a single Mikuni. Everyone has a different experience. Mine is that the Mikuni is such a relaxed set and forget fuel feeder, I can't see any reason to change. Try setting idle speed sitting at the traffic lights with twin Amals. It's a piece of cake with a Mikuni.

Phil