Moto G.P. Progress?

J.A.W. said:
Funny you chose that pic, K.C. is calling it quits due to his frustration at the lack of progress, & cites missing out on racing 2T 500s as one of his major regrets.
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We see that KC, as you call him, has also been quoted as saying that TV is killing MotoGP.
Haven't read the interview to see what that is all about.

To put all this in context though, K.C. has now gone to 2 teams with unwinning bikes, and won world championships on them. Very few riders do that once in their lives, he has now done it twice - and is only what 24 ? Maybe a time for new horizons ? - applaud him for not hanging around and making up the numbers...
 
Mr Stoner said that he was dismayed that the bikes were hobbled by the rules imposed to try and reduce costs, such as 6 engines per season and not being allowed to even change a bearing.
Not enough practice time.
Too many restrictions on what can and can't be done.
The Moto 3 riders having to park their vans outside the pit area and being treated like peasants.
The media telling all sorts of bull shit.
Etc,,,,
I will miss watching him ride, but wish him well.
You may not like him but look what he's done. Look at the other famous riders that rode bikes he won on and either ended their GP carear or they gave up.
The Moto 3 is the best racing on tv at the moment, in my opinion. This is one formula the GP powers did get right.

graeme
 
Moto 3 racing is quite tedious compared to say,WSBK.
& how having to stump up 20,000 Euros just for a mill - which makes less power than a showroom 250 2T MX bike [& you get the whole bike for much less than 1/2 that price] - can be 'getting it right '- def` strains the bounds of credibility.
It is not positive progress.
 
J.A.W. said:
Moto 3 racing is quite tedious compared to say,WSBK.
& how having to stump up 20,000 Euros just for a mill - which makes less power than a showroom 250 2T MX bike [& you get the whole bike for much less than 1/2 that price] - can be 'getting it right '- def` strains the bounds of credibility.
It is not positive progress.
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You don't often see WSBK going 4 or 5 abreast into the last corner... ?

And $35k for a full race bike, more (or similar) hp than a Manx Norton and training ground for future MotoGP Champs. Maybe its not shoestring racing like the 1950s was, living in the back of the van with the bike, missus and oil drums, but commerce has moved on a bit since then...
 
GRM 450 said:
Mr Stoner said that he was dismayed that the bikes were hobbled by the rules imposed to try and reduce costs, such as 6 engines per season and not being allowed to even change a bearing.
Not enough practice time.
Too many restrictions on what can and can't be done.
The Moto 3 riders having to park their vans outside the pit area and being treated like peasants.
The media telling all sorts of bull shit.
Etc,,,,
I will miss watching him ride, but wish him well.
You may not like him but look what he's done. Look at the other famous riders that rode bikes he won on and either ended their GP carear or they gave up.
The Moto 3 is the best racing on tv at the moment, in my opinion. This is one formula the GP powers did get right.
graeme
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No change there then :!:
Geoff Duke got suspended in the 1950s for calling a riders strike on the way G.P. riders were treated & paid very little.
 
" Service life for 600 top ends is 500km [310miles], & 1000km for the bottom end.
Nobody changes oil in these 4-strokes "

Now THATS Progress ? Keep the Oil & Change the Engine . Whatever will they think off next ? Plastic Motorcycles . :lol: :p

The deterioration began when they started putting stickers on them that had nothing to do with motorcycling . :) T.V. is said to dictate the terms , $ , timeing , ponceing about , etc , etc .

Reading a yr old Stoner report . He blames Rossi for falling off in front of him , for him falling off . A bit like ' I drowned following so n so into a whirlpool '. :shock: yr supposed to look where youre going .
 
Progress ? ?

Moto G.P. Progress?


The DRESS STANDARDS have definately slipped , these days .
 
Plastic, Matt? Say now....Wouldn`t that be a material [G.R.P. = glass reinforced plastic aka fiberglass] familiar to Fastback fans? Oh dear.
 
J.A.W. said:
Plastic, Matt? Say now....Wouldn`t that be a material [G.R.P. = glass reinforced plastic aka fiberglass] familiar to Fastback fans? Oh dear.
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Quite a few Roadster, Interstate and JPN replica owners would have met it too.... !
 
Matt, those historical grid girls in the pic you posted look like real crusty old lezzos, so - for sure- thats one area where there has been progress...
 
Its all part of the 'show' now..
Mick Doohan, 5 times 500 G.P. World Champ was a recent guest commentator on the local TV G.P.racing telecast.
He reckoned, "The engineers at the factory teams...they want to develop...make sure they keep the sport at the forefront of motorcycle engineering & racing..."
I note that Honda is on record as stating that they will cease G.P. racing to focus on W.S.B.K. - if Dorna forces the use of a rev-limited control ECU on the field to reduce pace enough to make the CRT [production - based, but limited in power to reduce prohibitive TBO costs] bikes competitive.
 
Bad news everyone, the fool who ruined G.P. racing , Dorna boss Caramello 'Esse' Espelitza, now gets control of World Superbikes too!
& Just when it was starting to look good, with a 1/2 doz different makes able to take the win.
Bugger.
 
The suggestion is that with common control, the Superbikes will get back more to production based bikes, and the MotoGP bikes will move more to prototype/handbuilt racing machines.
Rather than almost overlapping, as they do now.
This should be a win-win situation ??
We will see...
 
The weird thing is, Superbikes are production homologated, but are allowed significant freedom -as factory machines - to be tuned to the limit, with very short/expensive T.B.O.s, whereas the G.P. bikes used to be pure prototypes running minimal rules, such as cc/weight limits,- which was extended to the number of cylinders/gears allowable. Going to 4-strokes [& banning 2-strokes!] has proven prohibitively costly - while having limits on fuel consumption/control tyres/engine replacement has not helped make things any less expensive, since a disposable 'lifed' production unit is still cheaper than an a hi-durability unobtanium-built prototype.
At least the scope of difference in the approach of SBK was a point of interest, making for a less predicable/processional ['show'] race than the G.P.s -which are in the process of being steadily NASCARrized.
 
The talk is that Superbikes are going to revert to a common production based standard, and its going to be country based - i.e. all countries presently have a Superbike Class, and they will all be the same, so the best will rise to the top, and then be able to go WorldSuperbikes Racing. This is what has been lost in the present setup. At least, that is the talk/theory.

Lots would like to see all limits removed from MotoGP development, but how that sits with a 'common' ECU remains to be seen - Honda HRC have said, very publicly, they will quit MotoGP if that happens ?
 
I guess there must be a theoretical best/fastest roadrace bike? An equation of power to weight/control?
A total run what ya brung would be wild & interesting, but Dorna is only interested in a closely orchestrated 'show'.
& Honda hates 2-strokes, even though they were more successful with them [except for Moto 2, where they win every race, albeit -by default]. & well done KTM, for beating mighty Honda in the Moto 3 riders championship.
 
Just saw article in Motorcyclist that says the production bike are only .4 sec slower than the superbikes and only 1.7 sec slower that the MotoGP's so trend is to make em all about the same where it matters and just change the outside decorations even a fake headlight sticker for the production bikes. Basically aim is slow down the GP with a few restrictions if trend continues and cut costs for everyone to get more teams showing up and tickets sold.

If they'd run shorter races the electrics would take em now, then robots will control everything with pilot just plotting basic course robot to take, then the batteries will be replaced by fuel cells and bye bye combustion road racing but for the vintage. Robo bikes already know how to do phases 1, 2, and 5 steering-handling if they learn to do phase 3 & 4 then the robo stunt bikes will be able to do full barrel rolls sides and carry on. New theme parks might sell tickets to strap onto one and let it do its thing while thrilling the piss out of ya, as many times as ya can stand it.
 
hobot said:
Just saw article in Motorcyclist that says the production bike are only .4 sec slower than the superbikes and only 1.7 sec slower that the MotoGP's
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Where was this quoted for ??
And for what bikes ???

Any production bike you can name wouldn't even see where a MotoGP bike went !!!
Half the weight and twice the power....... ?

Max Biaggi's "Superbike' was sooooo much faster than anything production based that it wasn't funny. Which is why it was evident that WSB needed a serious overhaul.

And Max wasn't exactly successful in MotoGP...
 
Dec. 2012 Motorcyclist mag. pg 40. "When Pigs Fly" by James Parker. I can send ya the issue if ya like but its a bit depressing to read.
 
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