Moto G.P. Progress?

I'm not sure I'd believe it if I did see it, based on those numbers ?

It was quoted recently that Rossi's (ailing) Duc MotoGP bike was a good second a lap behind the front runners - which is why he is so far behind, and his season a dismal failure.

Suzuki and Kawasaki both pulled out of MotoGP, their bikes were just nowhere near the required pace, it was embarrassing. Yet they are both doing well in WSB racing. All these treams spend $millions getting this level of performance, if a street bike can do within a few seconds where has all the money gone ??? Go figure ?

Well Rohan ole Casey Stoner was interviewed in this mo's Cycle World, Race Watch section, saying the CRT'-production bikes were 3-5 seconds behind the elite prototypes plus often with under skilled riders so landing in 12 place zone among elites on same track and tires. Stoner goes on about the tire chatter and assymetric handling ie: chattering more on one lean side than the other and rock and roll rythm and blues frequency that is upseting the pace, hehehehehehehehehehehehhehe....

Music to my ears as tire chatter only hits with trying to slow into a lean as Ms Peel don't freaking slow up no way no how on entering the meanest to sweetest turns. Every single issue I see mentioned in cycle rags is totally been solved in a compliantly tri-link tammed isolastic Commando. No one be me so far has experienced the breath taking wonder and ease and security and fun to run right past the steering limits of elites then find 3 more ways to put down more power all the way from begining to end. The easiest way is to add enough power entering turns any tip off vertical spins out rear to trip down bike then just stays on power slowly increasing power till rear re-aims bike in a flash to re-hook harshly at which point way more accelerating upright power can be NAIlED so any tip of the bike instantly trips out to max peg fouling while staying on slowly increasing power till rear re-aims sharply to re-hook then MO PoW! sharply added on smashed down rear patch that rebounds with the chassis un-wind like a sling shot that works by action-reaction ejections not tire traction. So at worse point for every other cycle in the world - max apex- Ms Peel is at the harshest acceleration spike she can produce, so far. I've never been able to fully explore Peel as above in done in 18 ft wide wagon trail frost heaved switch backs a long truck can't turn w/o taking out the inside guard rails I get a great view of flashing under my nose all torn and ragged jagged.

Peel is so good I expect her to change basic chassis construction philosophy and bring the old farts back out in competition because she is so so easy to ride there is no athetlics involved nor vibration fatigue - Which is another reason I'm so happy to report what is lurking in all Commando's so simple even a cave man can do it. I claim yo all just don't know what you are missing out on, yet. Anyones Cdo could take on the GP's in their element any where any leaning involved up to the hp speed limits of the wimpy Cdo's but only in the wide open essentially full uprights even a good Harley could out pull the elites into.
So a normal Combat power Cdo could bring sheet eating grins up to the 80's and extra special accidental Peel Combat Power up to 90's in 2nd, which implies to me the Norton racer power could embrass elites up over the ton by couple dozen mph before pure horse power advantage matters.

Then there is the amazing security off road where MX and Trials bikes play and more fun on Peel for challenges as above on tarmac gets kinds of boring its so easy tor here is nil fear just pure thrill. Off road freaks me out routinely to point of adrenalin jitters - but road just can't do it for Peel no more no how. Poor dangerous corner cripples take elites to handling them while anyone can whip up on em with a you know what isolastics.

hobot said:

Which is another reason I'm so happy to report what is lurking in all Commando's so simple even a cave man can do it.

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Got it! :lol:

Well, if the CRT bikes are 5 secs behind the main game, where would that leave a production bike, according to this article. ?

Great cave man photo !

I'm just learning about the various modern classes but both articles made real plain and clear that CRT bikes = what are called production bikes. Stoner implied the poor riders were up 5 sec off the leader and good one about 3 sec.

I too was once a ape man thinking bigger balloon tires were better just like ape women with big bottoms but now more in in Cromagnum camp, more slender accurate agile weapon aim rather than blunter brute force bludgeoning.



I have more than ridden a compliant tri-linked isolastic hot rod with hobot Roadholder on hard dual purpose cleated tire, so I do not have to speculate about any and all forces working on handling that are so so confusing to rest of the world. You just don't know what rest of the world is missing out on. I mean it in joyful examation to join me soon as ya can, not that I've a monopoly on Peel's deal.

Case in point > in Stoner interview he says they must make some parts soft and compliant to allow tire to stay in hook up contact yet then the part is too weak to take the loads ***HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA!!!!!!

As no one else knows what its like on a fully tamed neutral Commando of course no one can understand my seeming insane humor on this, just wait and see.. I know which side a Cdo tips over into faster, do you?

Part of the problem is making racebikes both heavier & more powerful, while trying to cheap out on the tyres, much like it was back in the `70s when F 750 bikes were the 1st 100+hp roadrace machines.
One of C. Stoner's issues is that in going to a single make control tyre, a one fits all approach does not work, the top guys used to get super-trick $1500 a pop tyres, now they have to run cheepos, & dont like it.
For contrast though, the former Suzuki G.P. race director is on record as saying that Suzuki were spending more on electronics alone in 4-stroke Moto G.P. than the total race budget for the 500 2-strokes...

Of possible interest, some quickest lap times from the Phillip Is G.P. circuit..
Post classic, [pre`73] [Egli/1300] Vincent 1:44.710.
250 Production ......................Aprilia 1:44.147.
Bears..................................Britten 1:41.492.
Superstock 1000.....................Honda 1:34.941.
250 G.P...............................Gilera 1:32.075.
Moto G.P.............................Ducati 1:28.----

Yep and all those times mean to me is that the bigger engines can sprint the bee lines faster is all, not handling turns all that much faster than the smaller engines. Its no fun having to fight bikes and tires that don't like turning very much. I wish the pilots luck staying on top of the antics.

Note those 250 lap times Hobot, they are light bikes but powerful for their mass, ~70hp/315 lb for the production bike & ~115hp/210lb for the G.P. bike, on a fast flowing track,with high corner speeds -& the replacement Moto 2 [600 Honda/race chassis] with ~125hp/330lb are still +2sec slower there.

The 'new' 4-stroke 250 production lap record is almost 20 [!]secs slower, compared to the Aprilia , FYI.

Thanks for the pecking order data point JAWs. To everyone else the isolastic set up is the worse racing feature about the Commando while the engine is the best thing about em but not to me no sir ree. I am paying attention to hp/lb and torq/lb too. I ain't had much contests like real racers but boy howdy they were concentrated severe enough to know what differences of torque vs horse power is all about. By doing by reading and by watching - those elites just can't use much of their power until about full upright so by far most the advantage of more power is the bee line sprints that don't involve handling just streamlining. Even then we see em walking around on their fat rear tire cresting in the IOM so not all the impressive to me to see. The torque is how quick bike can accelerate upright while the horse power is how fast a speed bike can reach. Plenty of tales of bikes with best top speed not being competitive against lesser top end bikes. So yes for a isolastic chassis to go against GP power to weight would take another style engine than a Norton or special fuels on top of boost. There may be handling problems I'm told with Drouin impeller gyro so that make interfere with Peel's Neutral Hi Hook Up Handling. Best I can figure right now to compensate is load boost level torque spikes so don't have to spin impeller out of sight > till getting more upright into opens. So would it'd be a wet dream to me to put say Britton's engine in a Commando like - two part, over lapping chassis that hinges in the middle not the ends like others yet simply does not rebound past neutral. Heck might be more fun with one of the smaller engines just to prove a point about the corner cripples real pecking order. One way I'll have some objective comparisons is talking track school instructors into following Peel to video. If they can keep Peel in sight on technical tracks like Barbers then world will know I'm full of shit. Some schools like Codes run SR1000's and visit smaller tracks around the country. Hehe if MotoGP continues the trend then Peel may be more exciting to watch and ride. hehe.

Why doesn't everyone else feel like I do about isolastics?


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rFYbMhcG8[/video]

When the blood is forced out of skull into brain stem sensations become surreal on Peel.
Don't the rest of you dance a bike around to the rock and roll blaring inside w/o any speakers?
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQce5RiqL8g&feature=related[/video]

Do ya know what it feels like to fly the G's pitching over into a diving strafing run at ground level?
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t84dVdKuVDc&feature=related[/video]

"How do you gun down those women & kids?'
" Just dont lead `em so much"

JAW I faced deciding to be a sane good shot pilot like that or a crazy mad monk in Vietnam raffle daze and sometimes still kick myself for missing out ok. It takes similar nervous systems and risk taking hormones to be an effective air or ground pilot. I have to ask myself - could I fly as harsh as these MotoGP's pilots are doing and getting air time and rubbing elbows on curbs, then I remember dang I don't see them tripping bikes out on power on purpose to crash ahead of time because of the air intake and tire reaction delays at those rates to get on round even faster sharper wilder funner. I don't see them pulling in limbs for more clearance but sticking them out to reach the track, pashaw. If ya got to be hung off to hold bike down then sure ain't a neutral bike and very great risk to just lift tires horizontal to CoG and fly off taking out others.

If they keep piling up the restricting rules on the GP's then all the better for my own fantasy reasons to prove they can't handle the power they got already - hehe when any leaning conditions over 45 involved. Someday must try to incite someone to put a 200 hp engine in an over lapping bridge work frame and power unit that can bend with the breezes but don't flap like a flag or vibe like a string. Then the tire issue comes up, can the fatso tires take what that chassis can dish out or will more ballerina tires and construction be needed? Still with great grip and power control the tires ain't slipping sliding or spinning heating as much. Any slipping sliding spinning or air time is felt as hesitations in strong forward pulls so is counter productive unless just for mere instants that re aim thrust on better patch angle so the pull sharply resumes till next snickicty snack. Phase 3 and 4 pre-crashes turn those phase 2 hesitations into sling shot spikes of acceleration. Best way to get those spikes of adrenalin hits in barging into decreasing radii. Then all turns are like that, none to sharp not to look forward to - instead of whoa Nellie style. But then classes would be so fast they'd out law the big engines. Yet w/o many crashes pressure would be on to up the power and speed till similar injury and death rates, mostly d/t tires of course.

Ironically [since the big 3 H/Y/D are reckoned to be spending 40+mil quid per season] the electrickery [stability control] over-ride was a significant factor in poor bloody Marco Simoncelli`s untimely demise last year, I find the video a bit grim, having seen it in live telecast, but instructional even so..
& as a point of reference, a new Nissan GTR turbo/awd/ hi-tech supercar was tested at Philip Is, did a 1:43.39 lap [with a racer driving it].
Yamaha has the championship won this year,- the look on Honda race director`s face when this happened was priceless, & well done Casey for the race win...