More Brit-Built Triumphs !
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They have 6 factories around the world, the ones in Brazil and India are for the local markets as import duties are so big. the markets are big enough to warrant having factories in the country of sale.
Thailand is about economics but he did say that Triumph actually manufacture about 63% of the parts themselves, all the cranks for the world are machined in the UK, they are forged by Galfer but machined in Hinckley. all the cranks are forged in line, as in parallel twin or parallel triple but then twisted to get the crankpin offset, ie 270deg twin or 120deg triple, the triples have to be stress relieved or they try and straighten out when they are nitrided.
The reason for some of the manufacturing coming back to the UK is they have something like 20000 more orders than the current factories can cope with (and I am guessing there will be some tax benefits), so they set up a production area to build some here, it is up and running but they are moving stuff about to create more room to expand the assembly area.
Pics not allowed in the factory but they have a kind of museum thingy.
My Daytona is one of the British built machines however many of the parts are from other countries. For example, the front end and brakes are Japanese as are some of the electrics.
I suspect John Bloor recognized that he had to shop the world , both to build good bikes and to stay in business. He has managed to do both.
Glen
I suspect John Bloor recognized that he had to shop the world , both to build good bikes and to stay in business. He has managed to do both.
Glen
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The thing is you need a business man like John Bloor to carry it off
There's no way you are going to build a bike entirely in the UK and make money
I rejoiced when they started the factory up ,sure it had Japanese electrics and brakes etc etc or whatever but I think the engines were made here? and the frames?, and assembled here?
And now it's all gone
I don't doubt they are great bikes I've ridden a few ,but they are now a very long way from being a British bike
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Tell me if any motorcycle manufacture makes everything in house, every manufacture source their parts world wide and all come together in their major assembly factories whether Briton, Thailand or where ever, the main thing its still British owned so hence the British logo, its not owned by a Thai company or any one else, yes they are assembled else where, assemble in Thailand and cheaper to export to Asia, Australia, USA etc, assembled in the UK cheaper to export to Europe and the cost of exporting to Asia, Aus, USA would cost so much more if coming from the UK, with our high prices in Aus with our $$$, import taxes and high cost, so if my bike is assembled in Thailand to keep the cost down well good on them, still British owned.
Remember high labour costs and unions troubles killed the British manufactures of the early years and couldn't compete with what was coming from Japan at the time, a lot of British name motorcycle are a coming back some with more troubles than before and some no longer British owned.
I love my old Norton but I also love my Thai assembled 1200 Thruxton still with the British logo, one of the reasons I went with Triumph was 1/2 price at the time compared to a new Norton here in Aus, I did do my homework before buying my 2013 Thruxton and then my 2016 Thruxton and adding the price of my two new Thruxtons I still be front from a new Norton at the time.
Am I happy in what I did, sure am as buying a old stock new 1200 Thruxton I saved a lot of money with the deal I got $17k au and new Norton was $36k au here and that was back in 2018.
Ashley
Remember high labour costs and unions troubles killed the British manufactures of the early years and couldn't compete with what was coming from Japan at the time, a lot of British name motorcycle are a coming back some with more troubles than before and some no longer British owned.
I love my old Norton but I also love my Thai assembled 1200 Thruxton still with the British logo, one of the reasons I went with Triumph was 1/2 price at the time compared to a new Norton here in Aus, I did do my homework before buying my 2013 Thruxton and then my 2016 Thruxton and adding the price of my two new Thruxtons I still be front from a new Norton at the time.
Am I happy in what I did, sure am as buying a old stock new 1200 Thruxton I saved a lot of money with the deal I got $17k au and new Norton was $36k au here and that was back in 2018.
Ashley
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OOPS .
Talked to tri omph owners , some think theyre Indian , some Taiwan . Most dont give a sh*t . In Aus .
A lot of buyers of anything , look at the " image " it gives them . Not like in the old days .
A call to Triumph in the U.K. and stateing ' They were called the worlds best motorcycle ' a few times
after being riled by the turkeys " Oh No , theyre not unreliable , like those old ones . " mustve woke them up a bit .
If you see a electric monocoque L S R Triump , youll know the cheif hasnt lost his eyesight . E Mails get no reply. Or Letters .
despite around 100.000 of the carbed pommy ' Tanks a bit fat ( not to mention the front curve ) seats a bit thin ,
Interstae pipes , plunger A 10 mufflers , etc Interceptor Mk II /' III sit look . Dunno who the ' Its gotta be a MATCHLESS'
came in , but the camboxes are evident of that . The Little 675 Rs etc look ok . A resemblance to engineering .
Big triple injuns look a bit chaotic . dont like the balance shaft housing across the front of the cases , if we were to build something with one .
A lot of the others looked ' Stamped Out ' like a japper . Depends what you want in a motorcycle , I suppose .
Traditionally , a TRIUMPH is SLIM . ( Despite the Triples hanging up case - In Dirt Track .) The notta lotta thunder & not so much bird's
Pretty wide across the bottom end , like the smaller ones . To the point youd think thered be a market for custom primary & timing covers ,
LIKE THE OLD DAYS .
There were a few flat ( with a few lumps ) custom / race timing covers about too .
And , By the Way . . . The Commando's still FASTER than the TWO R3's , on the salt .
What ' DISTINGUISHED ' the real TRIUMPHS was that they were the best thing you could get for the money . unless you were incompetent inept or incapeable .
ARRGHHH .
Talked to tri omph owners , some think theyre Indian , some Taiwan . Most dont give a sh*t . In Aus .
A lot of buyers of anything , look at the " image " it gives them . Not like in the old days .
A call to Triumph in the U.K. and stateing ' They were called the worlds best motorcycle ' a few times
after being riled by the turkeys " Oh No , theyre not unreliable , like those old ones . " mustve woke them up a bit .
If you see a electric monocoque L S R Triump , youll know the cheif hasnt lost his eyesight . E Mails get no reply. Or Letters .
despite around 100.000 of the carbed pommy ' Tanks a bit fat ( not to mention the front curve ) seats a bit thin ,
Interstae pipes , plunger A 10 mufflers , etc Interceptor Mk II /' III sit look . Dunno who the ' Its gotta be a MATCHLESS'
came in , but the camboxes are evident of that . The Little 675 Rs etc look ok . A resemblance to engineering .
Big triple injuns look a bit chaotic . dont like the balance shaft housing across the front of the cases , if we were to build something with one .
A lot of the others looked ' Stamped Out ' like a japper . Depends what you want in a motorcycle , I suppose .
Traditionally , a TRIUMPH is SLIM . ( Despite the Triples hanging up case - In Dirt Track .) The notta lotta thunder & not so much bird's
Pretty wide across the bottom end , like the smaller ones . To the point youd think thered be a market for custom primary & timing covers ,
LIKE THE OLD DAYS .
And , By the Way . . . The Commando's still FASTER than the TWO R3's , on the salt .
What ' DISTINGUISHED ' the real TRIUMPHS was that they were the best thing you could get for the money . unless you were incompetent inept or incapeable .
ARRGHHH .
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Just have to agree to disagree Ash
I don't care how cheap they are I wouldn't own one if you paid me
I'd consider an early speed triple if at least some of the parts were made here ?
But these latest ones made abroad assembled abroad but designed here but with triumph on the tank!
There's no way in hell I'd buy one
Horses for courses I guess
I suspect an early T309 885cc Speed Triple is a modern classic and worth collecting. I had a Trident for a while (75000m worth) and it went like the proverbial off a shiny shovel. Prodigious thirst though, my Subaru Forester could do more m's per g. I may have driven more conservatively than I rode the Trident.....
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Id buy one of THESE , if they built them again .
Or definately this .
If somebody lent me the money .
Half a Century . Oh well . A brand new H M S Victory would probably sail pretty good . and that'd be a over 200 Yr old design .
Pity , they probly would let you keel haul or hang from the yardarm any miscreants . Nothing like a bit of discipline to sort out the slackers .
Er ;
" the wonders of modern engineering " , youd think they could make em last twice as long , or go twice as fast , with all this modern accuracy .
Microns & things . Metalurgy . and tecnological processes ! Not to sure about that front brake though . Not a lot of grab up past 80 , stock anyway .
Theres a roaring trade in replicer 1950s & 60s model aeroplane engines . Nasty diesels - Oliver Tigers and suchlike . Often C N C & re- metalurgalised .
CONTINUATION they call it , in the Auto Trade .
Of course , rather than highly skilled tradesman ,
they can sell them at a quater of the original cost
with all the automated manufacturing processes .
thats a reallive ' Continuation ' from Gee Gwarr .
Looks like theyre doing a C type too . Should be real cheap .
Or will the paint job cost more than the original car . THIS is the Era all this ' olde pommey rubbish ' emerged .
You wouldnt let just anybody anywhere near it . Particularly in South America . Seems everybodys that hysterical nowadays .
Anyway , If the pumped them out by the 10.000 , they should be real cheap , theyre that simple . Makes a MX6 look complicated .
OH DEAR ;
The Starting Block . Thundermental Thunckthion , Er Dynamic Essance ! Figured now howto get the Email
pictures out . Heads Down . Duck for Cover . May well be a barrage of them .
UM . I think the CENTRAL FLYWHEEL is part of the dynamic dynamics of the Traditional British Twin .
Seems A M C wheelised this .
A Neil Sheton joke from 1974 .
' What to call the new Norton - Triumph ?
the Striker , I shouldnt wonder . '
Or definately this .
If somebody lent me the money .
Half a Century . Oh well . A brand new H M S Victory would probably sail pretty good . and that'd be a over 200 Yr old design .
Pity , they probly would let you keel haul or hang from the yardarm any miscreants . Nothing like a bit of discipline to sort out the slackers .
Er ;
" the wonders of modern engineering " , youd think they could make em last twice as long , or go twice as fast , with all this modern accuracy .
Microns & things . Metalurgy . and tecnological processes ! Not to sure about that front brake though . Not a lot of grab up past 80 , stock anyway .
Theres a roaring trade in replicer 1950s & 60s model aeroplane engines . Nasty diesels - Oliver Tigers and suchlike . Often C N C & re- metalurgalised .
CONTINUATION they call it , in the Auto Trade .
Of course , rather than highly skilled tradesman ,
they can sell them at a quater of the original cost
with all the automated manufacturing processes .
thats a reallive ' Continuation ' from Gee Gwarr .Looks like theyre doing a C type too . Should be real cheap .
Or will the paint job cost more than the original car . THIS is the Era all this ' olde pommey rubbish ' emerged .
You wouldnt let just anybody anywhere near it . Particularly in South America . Seems everybodys that hysterical nowadays .
Anyway , If the pumped them out by the 10.000 , they should be real cheap , theyre that simple . Makes a MX6 look complicated .
OH DEAR ;
The Starting Block . Thundermental Thunckthion , Er Dynamic Essance ! Figured now howto get the Email
pictures out . Heads Down . Duck for Cover . May well be a barrage of them .
UM . I think the CENTRAL FLYWHEEL is part of the dynamic dynamics of the Traditional British Twin .
Seems A M C wheelised this .
A Neil Sheton joke from 1974 .
' What to call the new Norton - Triumph ?
the Striker , I shouldnt wonder . '
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Well the battery on my 961 has given up so I rolled out the old Triumph today, 06 Bonneville Scrambler, proudly wearing the Union Jack. 2 years its been stood so checked it over while topping up the battery, turned over to build the oil pressure and left the charger on to fully charge for a few hours, she ll be reet.
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Talking of Brit built Triumphs… I spoke to a Triumph dealer recently who very proudly told me they now build 20k bikes a year at Hinckley. That’s excellent says I, followed by “is it possible to specify a Hinckley built bike when ordering”. Blank expression followed by a chat with the ‘boss’ and the answer was… no.
Well the Thruxton R isn't a cheap bike, but they are a fantastic machine to ride and have good reliability.
I can understand why Ashley was reluctant to hand over $35 k for the Norton.
Unfortunately the Norton 961 was expensive, very heavy, not terribly powerful but extremely unreliable. Ignoring the performance and price aspects, it just wouldnt be viable for the 2 and 3 thousand mile trips I routinely do with the Triumph.
The Norton was Made in England though, other than the fake parts.
Glen
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Yeah, but apart from that…
