Hello from Norton UK

Voodooo said:
Just out of curiosity, do you or have you owned a electric vehicle?
Because if you knew more you wouldn’t make this statement. In a Tesla, the battery has a warranty as follows.
show me a gasoline vehicle with a engine warranty better than this.
www.tesla.com

Vehicle Warranty | Tesla Support

Find and view warranties for Tesla vehicles including New Vehicle Limited Warranty, Used Vehicle Limited Warranty and more.
www.tesla.com www.tesla.com
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So, you as the first new owner gets a "free" new battery, but if you sell the car, the person who buys it second hand gets the lifetime warranty transferred to them?
According to Testra, it will last for 1 year and 10,000 miles
 
There are two ways of reading that 8 year battery warranty claim Scott.

First is, as you say, no ICE has a warranty that long as standard, so the batteries must therefore be better than ICEs right?

The second is that Tesla knows full well that the batteries will be toast at 9 years! Most modern ICEs just don't fail and will last MUCH longer than that.

Perhaps even worse, I think Tesla are also being sharp here in knowing that very, very few Tesla owners will keep their car for 8 years or more. Perhaps paying to replace the handful that do is deemed cheap vs the PR benefits of the claim?

I’m certainly no battery boffin, but if I look at the batteries in all the various products in my life, they are certainly the weak link regarding longevity of the product. I think that’s why people are suspicious.

But fear not with the Livewire, if the HD battery goes just buy a bigger and better S&S version !
 
Bernhard said:
So, you as the first new owner gets a "free" new battery....
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The warranty doesn't say you will get a "new" battery, but that the energy capacity of the replacement battery "is at least equal to that of the original battery before the failure occurred".

Bernhard said:
.......... but if you sell the car, the person who buys it second hand gets the lifetime warranty transferred to them?
According to Testra, it will last for 1 year and 10,000 miles
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The second owner would get the remainder (if any) of the basic 4-year warranty plus an extra year or 10,000 miles on top of that basic warranty. They would also get the remainder of the 8-year battery warranty.


So you could extend the basic warranty to 5 years if you sold the car back to yourself .
 
Bernhard said:
What they don't tell you is when the battery begins to get "run down" and finally goes kaput, just how much a new battery is going to set you back, you better be sitting down when you hear the price!
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Just out of curiosity, do you or have you owned a electric vehicle?
Bernhard said:
So, you as the first new owner gets a "free" new battery, but if you sell the car, the person who buys it second hand gets the lifetime warranty transferred to them?
According to Testra, it will last for 1 year and 10,000 miles
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what warranty do you get on a 5 year old used gasoline vehicle? Zero.
most people that buy a Tesla keep them.
 
We made a 9000 km voyage thru the US last year. Each night I checked on the local electricity supply source as I'm interested in this. It was all fossil fuel, about half coal and half natural gas
We drove from northern Washington State to South east Texas. All along that route, in order to charge up, you would plug your green ebike or Tesla into the coal or n gas fired generating station!
Not really worth strip mining for Lithium to do that.
The common idea is that electrically powered things are somehow saving the planet, but the source of power is still the same old source.
Might as well put the fossil fuel directly into a fuel efficient vehicle.
Mazda studied this and decided that for most areas, pure electric vehicles have a larger carbon footprint than ICE powered vehicles. There is some improvement with hybrids, although much of it is cancelled by the extra damage done in producing two propulsions systems per vehicle.

Glen
 
worntorn said:
We made a 9000 km voyage thru the US last year. Each night I checked on the local electricity supply source as I'm interested in this. It was all fossil fuel, about half coal and half natural gas
We drove from northern Washington State to South east Texas. All along that route, in order to charge up, you would plug your green ebike or Tesla into the coal or n gas fired generating station!
Not really worth strip mining for Lithium to do that.
The common idea is that electrically powered things are somehow saving the planet, but the source of power is still the same old source.
Might as well put the fossil fuel directly into a fuel efficient vehicle.
Mazda studied this and decided that for most areas, pure electric vehicles have a larger carbon footprint than ICE powered vehicles. There is some improvement with hybrids, although much of it is cancelled by the extra damage done in producing two propulsions systems per vehicle.

Glen
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Come 2035 you won’t have a choice. They’ll all be electric vehicles only coming off the assembly line. I believe you all in the UK are 2030.
 
mean gene said:
Didn't know we were talking Tesla thought we were talking about Nortons Not a city dweller wouldn't know where to plug it in.
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We’re talking electric in general. It’s coming if we like it or not.
Personally I don’t know what the big fuss is. It’s only sound that’s being lost compared to a ICE.
EV also has benefits. Such as instant hp and tq. Less maintenance. Less wearing parts.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a petro head, but I also think technology is cool.
 
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Voodooo said:
Just out of curiosity, do you or have you owned a electric vehicle?

what warranty do you get on a 5 year old used gasoline vehicle? Zero.
most people that buy a Tesla keep them.
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comet said:
The warranty doesn't say you will get a "new" battery, but that the energy capacity of the replacement battery "is at least equal to that of the original battery before the failure occurred".


The second owner would get the remainder (if any) of the basic 4-year warranty plus an extra year or 10,000 miles on top of that basic warranty. They would also get the remainder of the 8-year battery warranty.


So you could extend the basic warranty to 5 years if you sold the car back to yourself .
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Ha!, so! I missed that bit, Testa replace battery with another used second hand battery.
I retaliate my original question, does anybody know how much a NEW battery would cost if you ever need one?
It seems this is a very elusive question!
 
worntorn said:
We made a 9000 km voyage thru the US last year. Each night I checked on the local electricity supply source as I'm interested in this. It was all fossil fuel, about half coal and half natural gas
We drove from northern Washington State to South east Texas. All along that route, in order to charge up, you would plug your green ebike or Tesla into the coal or n gas fired generating station!
Not really worth strip mining for Lithium to do that.
The common idea is that electrically powered things are somehow saving the planet, but the source of power is still the same old source.
Might as well put the fossil fuel directly into a fuel efficient vehicle.
Mazda studied this and decided that for most areas, pure electric vehicles have a larger carbon footprint than ICE powered vehicles. There is some improvement with hybrids, although much of it is cancelled by the extra damage done in producing two propulsions systems per vehicle.

Glen
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This is not the only problem with any EV, here in the UK it's been shown that there are not enough charging points outside your home to attempt to do any long distance, of places that have them, half are either broken out of use.
Daily commercial vehicles will not be able to run all day, the long distance ones will find it impossible.
Electrical vehicles are not a new concept, there was, and in some places still are, milk floats in local towns still running, some big bakeries did used to run them, all on the old lead/acid batteries. They did this for years and years.
 
Dommie Nator said:
I still get awoken by one most mornings around 4.00am. Not by the noise of the motor but by the crashing of empty bottles as they get slung back in the crates.
I need to have a word with dear old "Ernie"
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Empty bottles!! Fifty years ago our local dairy started using plastic bags..... Never caught on, though.
 
Dommie Nator said:
I still get awoken by one most mornings around 4.00am. Not by the noise of the motor but by the crashing of empty bottles as they get slung back in the crates.
I need to have a word with dear old "Ernie"
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That was one of the reasons that I refused to move into a flat offered to me, it was around the corner from a big diary, was told of the car doors slamming at 4.30 in the morning as the milkmen went to work. Must have saved myself from a lot of broken beauty sleep.
 
Fast Eddie would only need one bike, plus different plug and play sound tracks of different makes. One bike, all the best noises.

Can you imagine charging a car outside your house in the UK where some don't have drives, all that cable stolen in the summer months.
 
Madnorton said:
Fast Eddie would only need one bike, plus different plug and play sound tracks of different makes. One bike, all the best noises.

Can you imagine charging a car outside your house in the UK where some don't have drives, all that cable stolen in the summer months.
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Buy an extension cable and charge it at the neighbour's expense :-)
 
BritTwit said:
It's all way too premature any way as far as bikes coming to the US.
Norton will need to line up new US Dealers, or at least dealers who are willing to take a chance selling/servicing Nortons.
With the past experience of the SG run factory, I think dealers in the US will be very hesitant to signup.
Once bitten, twice shy.
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TVS don't just do any dealers, look at the requirements on their TVS motor website, some hoops to jump through and that is for the apache models. For their premium brand expect more hoops. I doubt if some will want the hassle in the current climate.
 
Madnorton said:
TVS don't just do any dealers, look at the requirements on their TVS motor website, some hoops to jump through and that is for the apache models. For their premium brand expect more hoops. I doubt if some will want the hassle in the current climate.
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That could also be a problem.
At least most dealers will want to see demand before taking on the TVS/Norton brand.
There are some large volume dealers (Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki) that have taken on brands like MV or Aprila, as exotics.
They don't expect to sell many, but they do expect them to sell.

With the horror stories about Norton's prior owner, and service issues, it will take a lot for dealers to willingly embrace the Norton brand.
Let's hope the quality of the forthcoming 650 and V4 models will write a new positive chapter in Norton's history.
 
Even well known and ‘loyal’ Norton dealers were throwing the towel in and severing ties with Norton towards the end as Garner became ever more unreliable / unreasonable.

Does anyone one know how many dealer are actually left in the U.K.?
 

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