Health Care or Wealth Care

JimC

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Isn’t it time for the US to scrap the inefficient, expensive way health care is paid for in the US? Every industrialized country in the world has some type of nationalized health care. Those countries with a nationalized system pay far less per person while achieving better results, in most cases. The US system of fee for services is not working well for all Americans.

Having people who are sick, but have no health care coverage (30 million) and remain untreated is a danger to all. Health care should be available to all, as it is in every nation that places health over profit.
 
In Canada we have what is called MSI .... basically a pretty good system , until you get to the pharmacy then all bets are off unless you got coverage from work or you over 65 ( then just an annual one time fee ) ... as usual it the part time under valued workers that lose out .... still everyone is assured of basic health care and all hospital stays , drugs and all are covered ... that when your work provided coverage is a plus too as you can get a private room .... all in prolly a much better system than south of us .... not perfect here but not bad
 
JimC said:
Isn’t it time for the US to scrap the inefficient, expensive way health care is paid for in the US? Every industrialized country in the world has some type of nationalized health care. Those countries with a nationalized system pay far less per person while achieving better results, in most cases. The US system of fee for services is not working well for all Americans.

Having people who are sick, but have no health care coverage (30 million) and remain untreated is a danger to all. Health care should be available to all, as it is in every nation that places health over profit.
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I think I once read somewhere that the biggest cause of people losing their homes in the US was illness?
Does that sound right?
 
JimC said:
Health care should be available to all, as it is in every nation that places health over profit.
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We were just asked to die so that the stock market might live.

Americans worship at the alter of the almighty dollar, even when their own shrines are empty.
 
Wealth care. No question.

Despite the flag on my avatar, I spent the first 40 years of my life in the US. And both my parents are physicians, as is my step father. My ex wife is a nurse.

I cannot find evidence of a more dysfunctional and less empathetic or egalitarian health care system in the world.
 
grandpaul said:
...yet those with wealth still come HERE for major medical care...

If you have excess wealth, and can choose from anywhere in the world, why go to the US if others are "better"?
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You've answered you own question and thus proved the point of this thread.
 
One of the nationalized health care myths I like to shoot down is that Canadians are coming to the US for their health care. The purveyors of this myth seem to forget Canada’s health care does not pay for services in the US. Maybe emergency life saving service, I’m not sure. If a Canadian chose to have a knee replacement done in the US he/she had better be packing a heavy wallet. So, let’s say that Canadian is making $60,000 a year. No way they would or even can shell out $80,000 for a knee replacement. Right wing media personalities like Sean Hannutty and Rush Limblow will tell you otherwise. No doubt some wealthy Canadians might seek health care south of the border.

The past few months I have been treated at one of the best health care facilities in the world, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN. Never, in my numerous visits to Mayo, have I seen a Canadian license plate in Rochester, MN. The Mayo Clinic is less than 300 miles from the Canada/US border.

BTW, the health care I’m receiving at Mayo is being paid for with SOCIALIZED health care insurance. Medicare.
 
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Health Care or Wealth Care
 
"In a review published in March 2018 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, researchers found that the US spent about twice as much on healthcare as other high-income countries, Business Insider's Lydia Ramsey reported. And yet, higher spending didn't translate to better outcomes, nor is healthcare used more frequently in the US..."

Below is a list of the countries that spent more than $3,000 on healthcare per capita in 2017:

1. United States — $10,209

2. Switzerland — $8,009

3. Luxembourg — $6,475

4. Norway — $6,351

5. Germany — $5,728

6. Sweden — $5,511

7. Ireland — $5,449

8. Austria — $5,440

9. Netherlands — $5,386

10. Denmark — $5,183

11. France — $4,902

12. Canada — $4,826

13. Belgium — $4,774

14. Japan — $4,717

15. Iceland — $4,581

16. Australia — $4,543

17. United Kingdom — $4,246

18. Finland — $4,173

19. New Zealand — $3,683

20. Italy — $3,542

21. Spain — $3,371

https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
 
JimC said:
One of the nationalized health care myths I like to shoot down is that Canadians are coming to the US for their health care. The purveyors of this myth seem to forget Canada’s health care does not pay for services in the US. Maybe emergency life saving service, I’m not sure. If a Canadian chose to have a knee replacement done in the US he/she had better be packing a heavy wallet. So, let’s say that Canadian is making $60,000 a year. No way they would or even can shell out $80,000 for a knee replacement. Right wing media personalities like Sean Hannutty and Rush Limblow will tell you otherwise. No doubt some wealthy Canadians might seek health care south of the border.

The past few months I have been treated at one of the best health care facilities in the world, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN. Never, in my numerous visits to Mayo, have I seen a Canadian license plate in Rochester, MN. The Mayo Clinic is less than 300 miles from the Canada/US border.

BTW, the health care I’m receiving at Mayo is being paid for with SOCIALIZED health care insurance. Medicare.
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My best friend’s Dad trained at the Mayo in Rochester Mn. , then his Dad came back to our little town for many years of saving lives before being struck fatally by drunk driver while Doc was out jogging early one morning .... my bestie in fact, was born in Rochester Mn. during his Dad’s surgical training ....
 
grandpaul said:
BLAME THE LAWYERS
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That is one of the arguments for our NZ health system, and in particular our Tax Payer funded Accident Compensation system. It is a "no fault" system, we gave away the right to sue in exchange for (supposedly) guaranteed cover. So we don't have ambulance chasing lawyers consuming a chunk of "health" money.
 
Can't blame the lawyers. They're just trying to make a buck like everyone else.
It's the politicians who have no moral scruples and are selling out to the insurance
industry. Total health care for citizens of the USA would cost less than 10% of the
bloated defense budget
 
Paul, you are wrong again.

Medical malpractice costs, including lawyers, amounts to $245 per capita in the US. Eliminate all malpractice costs and the US still tops the list for health care costs.

In all likelihood the insurance companies are a large part of our high health care costs in the US.
 
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