Exploring Fork behavior on initial lean turning

Original post translated:

'So I lean revent thers inse tire howl-squelch I'd launches, thound stance. So I put to on a band stand seen late so I try tire hound human rested hounder about to that inputting throttle RGM fork but slack in understance. So I putting feet off or above timent then later spring upperimentual but can the axle lean slack in the bust my SV650 both lift of the bike tire howl-squelch freq matter bust in that othe fork resonane for use tried human ther slider/fenderstayed expander light slack brater light SuVee. Trail brake it most to plean brake this they ared to braking is this don't perfectivel all upright powered 90-100 on in anded. I has no use in and is always expandle it elite they ared bikes cant to braking is always explore forks explore full braking at hi speed 90-100 on SuVee. Trail brake to ever use fasterized bikes use to me absoluter that hi that had with trail brake to ever use forks always explore fairly because done for real pollutely in line, if I'm in line, so to explore corner useE Gravel so ples that handler a longer cycler's or crippled ring ain hehehe. Surely old newbies that hands and if ya got absolutely old newest fork quality --- until braking, sorry hard the nothis and the front landler in effective them corner them corner cripples they raction, so absolutely fork might about for the try hand the front it shows up if stupid corner cripples discussing, such as that shows up if stuff any ear Rules do.

The front it shows up if stop action, so don't may imply old newest fork might chirp out the front lands ands and sever cripples The front its no longer cripplease the that this right about for dampens you can find to me turning designs any effective try that it matter cripples discussing designs is right about the news up if stop action the front its, hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. Its full proof to see in hehe. Surely fork might a whithworth about the rear Rules discussing demoing limits, hehe. S'


The above was the result from putting the original post through an online gibberish generator in the hope it may revert back to English (or Klingon, or ANYTHING!), but I think there must be a limit on the number of words in the one I used as the text seems to have lost something in translation and doesn't make sense now...........

Long live Stanley Unwin

http://youtu.be/323kQis2zbM

lardygitTVR said:

Original post translated:

'So I lean revent thers inse tire howl-squelch I'd launches, thound stance. So I put to on a band stand seen late so I try tire hound human rested hounder about to that inputting throttle RGM fork but slack in understance. So I putting feet off or above timent then later spring upperimentual but can the axle lean slack in the bust my SV650 both lift of the bike tire howl-squelch freq matter bust in that othe fork resonane for use tried human ther slider/fenderstayed expander light slack brater light SuVee. Trail brake it most to plean brake this they ared to braking is this don't perfectivel all upright powered 90-100 on in anded. I has no use in and is always expandle it elite they ared bikes cant to braking is always explore forks explore full braking at hi speed 90-100 on SuVee. Trail brake to ever use fasterized bikes use to me absoluter that hi that had with trail brake to ever use forks always explore fairly because done for real pollutely in line, if I'm in line, so to explore corner useE Gravel so ples that handler a longer cycler's or crippled ring ain hehehe. Surely old newbies that hands and if ya got absolutely old newest fork quality --- until braking, sorry hard the nothis and the front landler in effective them corner them corner cripples they raction, so absolutely fork might about for the try hand the front it shows up if stupid corner cripples discussing, such as that shows up if stuff any ear Rules do.

The front it shows up if stop action, so don't may imply old newest fork might chirp out the front lands ands and sever cripples The front its no longer cripplease the that this right about for dampens you can find to me turning designs any effective try that it matter cripples discussing designs is right about the news up if stop action the front its, hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. Its full proof to see in hehe. Surely fork might a whithworth about the rear Rules discussing demoing limits, hehe. S'


The above was the result from putting the original post through an online gibberish generator in the hope it may revert back to English (or Klingon, or ANYTHING!), but I think there must be a limit on the number of words in the one I used as the text seems to have lost something in translation and doesn't make sense now...........

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Striving for infinite wisdom, guidance and enlightenment I took your results from the gibbersih generator, translated to Portugues, then to Russian and then back to English. Results are as follows:

"Then I am inclined revent Of thers of inse of tires the howl of muffler I the spear of thound of carriage. So that I assumed to group to see late therefore I I try man the dog of the tires of hounder it rested during this bifurcation RGM presenting accelerator, but slack into understance. Therefore I place of feet or higher than timent that then in spring, but it is possible upperimentual of the thin of shaft into the bust of my SV650, both bust to raise tires howl bicycle the muffler of freq the field where of othe of resonane by fork for the use attempted the slip of man of fenderstayed of ther of brater the dilator of the disconnection of the light Of suVee. More brake for the brake the track of plean this they this ared not of braking perfectivel vertical 90-100 work all, they are united. I is not used and always they ared bicycles cannot stop expandle of ehlite always study forks to investigate regards the speed of braking complete 90-100 into SuVee. To never not use a brake of wheels of fasterized bicycles to use to me absoluter that regards with the brake track to never not use a fork to always study sufficiently, because real of pollutely, made on-line, if I on the line, then the study of use reach gravel angle then this processor of cycler or am damaged the ring Of [ayn] to [khe]-[khe]. Certainly old beginning hands and if I am absolutely old new qualities the fork---to the braking, you will excuse difficult by [nerodstvennikami] and [Lendler] effective front of them to sing to sing of them cripple; therefore absolutely amino fork can be near to attempt hand front shows upward if foolishly cripple, asserting about that which appears, if such of the ear of the thing of [pravila].[Front] it appears in order to stop action, then to you can not include old newest fork it can they [shchebechut] out of the earth of front [NSRA] and tear it mutilates its not cripplease front, moreover, that this right on the pillows, you can find for me the turn of the constructions of effective a question cripple any attempt in the consideration of projects they are found directly on the news the front of the actions of feet above your, hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. Your complete of evidence see. to [khe]-[khe]. Certainly it is possible to branch whithworth on the spin, to make [demo], discusses the limitations of rules, [khe]-[khe]. S '"

It is beggining to make sense "hehehe" but surprised there is no reference to "rump rod". I am perplexed.

I believe you missed a translation to Klingon in there, that should fill in the blanks nicely :wink:

Seeley920 said:

Long live Stanley Unwin

http://youtu.be/323kQis2zbM

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Thanks for reminding me of Stanly Unwin - enjoyed his appearances as a younger person - often

Aaaah, all is clear now!

I never ride on the dirt, however I read Hobot's posts. You never know when some information might become useful. I'd like to point out that a major objective of motorcycling is to have fun. When you get on a forum and the girls are bitchy, it is a real turn-off. A level of tolerance should be maintained at all times.

Intolerance is one of the first signs of old age,for most there is no escape from it.
Everyone has the option of hitting the back button,everyone has the option of using the 'ignore option.
As a newbie to this site I read all of HoboT's posts. :lol:

Here's something HoboT might find interesting,a Norton application somewhere ?

http://youtu.be/IPM8OR6W6WE

Time Warp said:

Intolerance is one of the first signs of old age,for most there is no escape from it.
Everyone has the option of hitting the back button,everyone has the option of using the 'ignore option.
As a newbie to this site I read all of HoboT's posts. :lol:

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I am becoming very intolerant of age induced intolerance. I encountered this last week at a couple of vendor sites and again when I posted about it.
Tho I don't read all of it, nor can I decipher a lot of it, I find some of Hobots stuff quite amusing and entertaining. I doubt he really believes all of it himself, but we are free to ignore or skip over. At very least Hobot is dedicated to the Commando model.

There was a poster and Norton hater named Carbonfibre on here for awhile. I found most of his stuff annoying so I used the ignore feature and it worked great, no blood pressure rise on reading an inflammatory post, no need to respond.
I have done the same with one other poster who I know I won't get along with, no matter what.

The ignore feature works great, although if I am on your ignore list, you won't read this, nor will you need to, you are already using it! :mrgreen:

Glen

worntorn said:

Time Warp said:

Intolerance is one of the first signs of old age,for most there is no escape from it.
Everyone has the option of hitting the back button,everyone has the option of using the 'ignore option.
As a newbie to this site I read all of HoboT's posts. :lol:

I am becoming very intolerant of age induced intolerance. I encountered this last week at a couple of vendor sites and again when I posted about it.
Tho I don't read all of it, nor can I decipher a lot of it, I find some of Hobots stuff quite amusing and entertaining. I doubt he really believes all of it himself, but we are free to ignore or skip over. At very least Hobot is dedicated to the Commando model.

There was a poster and Norton hater named Carbonfibre on here for awhile. I found most of his stuff annoying so I used the ignore feature and it worked great, no blood pressure rise on reading an inflammatory post, no need to respond.
I have done the same with one other poster who I know I won't get along with, no matter what.

The ignore feature works great, although if I am on your ignore list, you won't read this, nor will you need to, you are already using it! :mrgreen:

Glen

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I too have noticed people becoming grumpier as they get older, and it drives me mad :mrgreen:

Time to stop ganging up on Hobot. He has the best intentions and wants to share his enthusiasm for Commandos and motorcycles in general. We are free to read his posts or ignore them.

It makes me so angry that I'm ready to drop the gloves and have at it! :mrgreen:
Serenity now!!!!


Glen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o

Vince

Thanks for all the expressing efforts but do our forks expand or contract on initial turning or leaning. What does does it imply? So like hobo shit, hit the trail.

I think that they expand, because the angle created takes some of your forward weight, shifts it to one side or the other, and fork extends to maintain traction. That's why setting the sag is so important.

I watched Stoner at the end of the main straight at Philip Island.
As the throttle is initially closed and he starts to tune into turn 1 a very fast right, his front left the ground.
I tried to see and film this to see if there is a bump that causes this but it was all too fast.
I watched lap after lap and some of the other fast riders were doing it too, but it all happened way too fast to see what was causing it.
All very quick, full throttle in top, back off, shift down and turn.
What ever was causing it I don't know, but it had my attention for 3 days.
Maybe just a bump in the surface??????????

Graeme

Perhaps Gyroscopic Precession (Google it - too complicated to explain in a short post) affects the bikes composure as it's leaned into a corner?

This type of post ,teach's us more about Commando riders/owners that commandos.
But i am sure the topics here are well and truely exhausted..its just raking over old ground. Steve Hobbit just use's differant Rakes.

Not to mention in the case of a Norton the very heavy large diameter wheel.
Take a ride on a bike with 17 inch carbon fibre wheels if you get the chance,magnesium makes a bigger enough difference to turn in.

john robert bould said:

This type of post ,teach's us more about Commando riders/owners that commandos.
But i am sure the topics here are well and truely exhausted..its just raking over old ground. Steve Hobbit just use's differant Rakes.

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That might depend on if the rider is stuck in the 1970's or has progressed along with the changes motorcycle geometry has taken.
If they had not the information gained could only ever be based on yesteryear.

Here is one of my other bikes,be assured it has little in common with any old school motorcycle bar the grin factor.
It is quite tiny with a FI 1078cc 90 degree V-Twin.
The brakes (Brembo monoblocks and radial master cylinder) would be scary enough if you were not used to that type of power.
The 50 mm forks and forged alloy rims make a noticeable impact on turn in and how the chassis reacts.
I have been giving it a birthday,tyres,chain, quick change sprocket carrier and sprockets etc etc but working on the Norton after lunch was much easier.
Newer is not always better in some cases when it comes to hands on work even if on road performance is.
Depends what you are after.