Experts!

Fast Eddie said:

People like to say ‘you learn from your mistakes’.

I’m beginning to seriously doubt this accepted wisdom.

If it were true I’d be a freakin’ genius by now…

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Better to learn from other people's mistakes, no???

The only university I have done is the university of life, we learn as soon as we are born and we are still learning till we die. Life is a learning curve, yes there maybe experts in their field but we can never be a expert in life as we are always learning something new and problems are always jumping in front of us, but it's great when we solve and workout though problems as we go.
If we make a mistake then the only way to overcome that mistake is to keep trying till we work it out, same as working on our old bikes you make a mistake or do something wrong you fix it, I made a simple mistake when putting my old Amal back on my Norton but pulling them off I found the problem and last night in bed and thinking about it I have solved another problem with my old Amals so a quick fix this morning before I take it out and do a final tune to see if I need to adjust something else while out, see you learn as you go, I am no carb tune expert but I will get it right for my Norton, patients and persistence and don't give up no matter what.

hhh said:

SS1: Sometimes humour is the best medium to transmit a message. One thing you have to realize when you're digging deeper is that extreme wealth gives rise to the privilege of owning the media and what they report about you, so a level of discernment is necessary. If Gates truly were a philanthropist (not an expert marketer and profiteer) as his acolytes claim, he would be developing infrastructure to transport and purify water in regions that are suffering.

Good health cannot be achieved without an adequate potable water supply. However, because you can't patent water, there is no profit in that. Investments in pharmaceutical companies which insist that health is derived through consumption of petroleum based synthetic molecules and potions from the tip of a needle bypassing the highly well developed human immune system are much more profitable, whether they work or not, because when you own the media, you own the narrative. Reality is irrelevant.

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With respect H3, I don’t really follow your reasoning or logic. To clarify, you believe Gates is not truly a philanthropist because if he were he would have (attempted to) solve the problem of 3rd world water insecurity? Some might consider that anomalous thinking?

Bill &Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) funds for grants in developing countries



Above extract records part of the billions given by BMGF to assist with 3rd word development - the list of benefactors/causes is just too long to show here.

So too, your statement about media control. Rich people that own (or donate to) media outfits certainly can influence or maybe even control content - ask any Aussie about Rupert Murdoch. But sufficient of the media that he ‘owns the narrative’? Nationwide press, independent journalists, foreign press, fact check organisations……and on? That’s some reach! For a man that can control the narrative (mainstream or otherwise) he’s doing a pretty poor job! There is a lot of negative commentary on Gates - he is a pretty large target. Not really worth mentioning less credible news sources, which have accused him of everything but consorting with aliens to depopulate the world - I’m sure that it’s only a matter of time!

Gonna leave the anti-vax comment alone because that‘s just way to contentious (and may be inappropriate) for this forum, regardless of how you word it. Just to say, we’ve had the benefit of vaccines since the late 18th century. I think history will show that recent vaxinations have saved many millions of lives.

To get back on topic - Is Gates an expert in philanthropy? Yes say I. No say you. The difference - I suspect (may be) from where we choose to consume our news.

An expert is someone that you THINK knows more than you.
Some of the dumbest people I have met have PhD degrees.
Two engineering degrees but still frustrated by the commando sometimes.
George

Stephen_Spencer said:

With respect H3, I don’t really follow your reasoning or logic. To clarify, you believe Gates is not truly a philanthropist because if he were he would have (attempted to) solve the problem of 3rd world water insecurity? Some might consider that anomalous thinking?

Bill &Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) funds for grants in developing countries

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Above extract records part of the billions given by BMGF to assist with 3rd word development - the list of benefactors/causes is just too long to show here.

So too, your statement about media control. Rich people that own (or donate to) media outfits certainly can influence or maybe even control content - ask any Aussie about Rupert Murdoch. But sufficient of the media that he ‘owns the narrative’? Nationwide press, independent journalists, foreign press, fact check organisations……and on? That’s some reach! For a man that can control the narrative (mainstream or otherwise) he’s doing a pretty poor job! There is a lot of negative commentary on Gates - he is a pretty large target. Not really worth mentioning less credible news sources, which have accused him of everything but consorting with aliens to depopulate the world - I’m sure that it’s only a matter of time!

Gonna leave the anti-vax comment alone because that‘s just way to contentious (and may be inappropriate) for this forum, regardless of how you word it. Just to say, we’ve had the benefit of vaccines since the late 18th century. I think history will show that recent vaxinations have saved many millions of lives.

To get back on topic - Is Gates an expert in philanthropy? Yes say I. No say you. The difference - I suspect (may be) from where we choose to consume our news.

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I do know that Gates knows f*ck all about Commandos !

acotrel said:

I learned to road race by crashing. These days I know there is no circumstance that can crash me. There is answer for every situation, and I have learned them all the wrong way. My wife has put the kybosh on my racing. The last time I raced she was beside my mate watching me. He got a bit excited when I rode under and past the three leaders, so she got anxiety. I should have told her that these says, there is no way that I am ever going to crash. I am not joking and I am certainly not bragging. It is nothing to brag about. I cannot believe I was so stupid that I would ever have gone racing and did what I have done.
If you are smart you learn to ride motocross, then get your daddy to buy you the modern equivalent of a Mondial 250. Then you will be Mike Hailwood.
The only good thing about what I did, was I learned a lot of useless shit about old motorcycles.

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I learned to roadrace by NOT crashing!

A consultant is someone who uses your watch, and tells you what time it is.
An expert can tell the time without a watch ...... but may not be always right.....

Slick

Stephen_Spencer said:

With respect H3, I don’t really follow your reasoning or logic. To clarify, you believe Gates is not truly a philanthropist because if he were he would have (attempted to) solve the problem of 3rd world water insecurity? Some might consider that anomalous thinking?

Bill &Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) funds for grants in developing countries

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Above extract records part of the billions given by BMGF to assist with 3rd word development - the list of benefactors/causes is just too long to show here.

So too, your statement about media control. Rich people that own (or donate to) media outfits certainly can influence or maybe even control content - ask any Aussie about Rupert Murdoch. But sufficient of the media that he ‘owns the narrative’? Nationwide press, independent journalists, foreign press, fact check organisations……and on? That’s some reach! For a man that can control the narrative (mainstream or otherwise) he’s doing a pretty poor job! There is a lot of negative commentary on Gates - he is a pretty large target. Not really worth mentioning less credible news sources, which have accused him of everything but consorting with aliens to depopulate the world - I’m sure that it’s only a matter of time!

Gonna leave the anti-vax comment alone because that‘s just way to contentious (and may be inappropriate) for this forum, regardless of how you word it. Just to say, we’ve had the benefit of vaccines since the late 18th century. I think history will show that recent vaxinations have saved many millions of lives.

To get back on topic - Is Gates an expert in philanthropy? Yes say I. No say you. The difference - I suspect (may be) from where we choose to consume our news.

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Can you please review this and make sense of it all...maybe get it fact checked or try and get it erased to help out Bill...as this and other stuff has a tarnishing effect on his reputation ...Thanks in advance

Jerry/Les,

Suggestion: Change the Title of this Forum from: Access Norton Pub (No Politics) to: Access Norton Pub (No Politics, Conspiracy Theories, or Defaming Others).

I'm all for Free Speech, but some of defaming that's being done in this public forum is likely illegal and certainly the result of the inward spiral of a conspiracy theory.

When I started this thread, it invited thought on "experts". I think about 75% of it has been a good discussion. If the original poster had the power to close the threads they started, I would certainly close this one. IMHO, it has gone from an interesting discussion to simply annoying.

marshg246 said:

There is a discussion on the clutch nut going on now - if you listen and treat all (including me) who seem like they know what they are talking about as experts, you'll never keep the clutch on your bike or you'll be afraid to try!

An example is a Belleville washer. A Mechanical Engineer probably could point to a web site or document that completely clarified their purpose and specifications. I looked at several sites and IMHO our experts, at best, know part of the truth and they certainly disagree with each other.

Maybe our signature should be required to list our expertise? (I know, silly thought).

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Reading between the lines...what has got you ticked off about the clutch hub nut washer discussion that obviously led you to post this experts topic post ?

I recall you assemble as per stock spec..(i maybe wrong)
I use a Nord-Lock washer...(is that so bad ?)
Others i see use a Belleville washer that some automobile experts have recommend
Who's right and who's wrong ?

KiwiShane said:

Reading between the lines...what has got you ticked off about the clutch hub nut washer discussion that obviously led you to post this experts topic post ?

I recall you assemble as per stock spec..(i maybe wrong)
I use a Nord-Lock washer...(is that so bad ?)
Others i see use a Belleville washer that some automobile experts have recommend
Who's right and who's wrong ?

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Why read between the lines?

He wrote quite clearly about what had ticked him off in the lines!

Dude starts a thread about experts / expertise and it morphs into a conspiracy theory fuelled anti Bill Gates thread !!

Fast Eddie said:

Why read between the lines?

He wrote quite clearly about what had ticked him off in the lines!

Dude starts a thread about experts / expertise and it morphs into a conspiracy theory fuelled anti Bill Gates thread !!

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That's funny, I saw it as having morphed into a conspiracy theory fuelled pro-Bill Gates thread, so I thought it needed a little balance.

It's your thread Greg but conversations do wander, especially after 4 pages discussing a clutch hub nut washer. Take it back and put it on your intended course if you are frustrated.

We are all adults, for the most part, we ca fix it without calling for the forum cops all the time.

KiwiShane said:

Reading between the lines...what has got you ticked off about the clutch hub nut washer discussion that obviously led you to post this experts topic post ?

I recall you assemble as per stock spec..(i maybe wrong)
I use a Nord-Lock washer...(is that so bad ?)
Others i see use a Belleville washer that some automobile experts have recommend
Who's right and who's wrong ?

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Nothing got me "ticked off". I did find it interesting the some were going back and forth sounding like experts and I couldn't tell if any were.

Yes that thread got me thinking about experts. You'll notice that I was careful to say that I was not one on the subject.

Yes, I do generally do what Norton, et. Al, defined as "right" and I am not expert enough to override that.

I said in a post there (paraphrased) that is was interesting that if you follow all the advice" in that thread that you cannot install your clutch

Lineslinger said:

It's your thread Greg but conversations do wander, especially after 4 pages discussing a clutch hub nut washer. Take it back and put it on your intended course if you are frustrated.

We are all adults, for the most part, we ca fix it without calling for the forum cops all the time.

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Of course they wander and often it's a good thing. I would like to see the ability to close a subject I start - maybe I'm the only one who does - maybe not.

BTW, I do sometimes ask a "forum cop" to do something - in a private message. This was a public statement meant to see of others agreed and yes I understand that it was tangent to the initial discussion but one that grew out of it.

Fast Eddie said:

Why read between the lines?

He wrote quite clearly about what had ticked him off in the lines!

Dude starts a thread about experts / expertise and it morphs into a conspiracy theory fuelled anti Bill Gates thread !!

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Well maybe he should have addressed the issue he had... clearly on the (clutch nut) post that ticked him off...
This post is no different to any other conversation at a pub...the conversation strays and then the conversation gets put back on track which was why I commented on the first post...I just left out the stuff in the middle.
These days those that call out the term "conspiracy theories" mis/dis information are usually proven wrong in very short order because they have nothing left to bolster their "argument"..which quite often happens at pubs as well.
As Marshg246 said im all for freedom of speech ..which i totally agree with.
I also directly quoted/questioned the poster ...not you

marshg246 said:

Nothing got me "ticked off". I did find it interesting the some were going back and forth sounding like experts and I couldn't tell if any were.

Yes that thread got me thinking about experts. You'll notice that I was careful to say that I was not one on the subject.

Yes, I do generally do what Norton, et. Al, defined as "right" and I am not expert enough to override that.

I said in a post there (paraphrased) that is was interesting that if you follow all the advice" in that thread that you cannot install your clutch

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Well mate... my clutch is still intact
and like you.. ive fixed many failed ones that have been incorrectly assembled ...but I'm not expert

hhh said:

That's funny, I saw it as having morphed into a conspiracy theory fuelled pro-Bill Gates thread, so I thought it needed a little balance.

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The single biggest problem with a lot of people is they watch to much Mockingbird Media News rubbish...and believe it.

KiwiShane said:

I also directly quoted/questioned the poster ...not you

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As you said… it’s a conversation in a pub…

Fast Eddie said:

I do know that Gates knows f*ck all about Commandos !

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Agreed FE - Gates shouldn’t have been brought into our pub and definitely shouldn’t be taken to The Bar! (sorry - couldn’t resist !)

This is the pub though and things are always gonna wander off course - barely a thread on the forum that hasn’t. The problem is the path we have taken has led us close to the rabbit hole (no disrespect intended to anyone) and that‘s problematic. The vast majority choose not to engage, to ignore or disregard posts/articles of that type from the ‘alternate thinkers’ we have on the forum. I have a problem walking past what I believe to be blatant dis-information - that is my problem, no one else’s. I challenged it (badly) with humour and here we are.

Note - Alternate Thinkers. Those with beliefs that are so vastly out of step with mainstream thinking are going to be referenced in daily discourse therefore, as a group are going to attract a name - by necessity. Conspiracy Theorists is clearly inflammatory. Truth Tellers not really credible.

I posted this yesterday and then very quickly removed it - too contentious/‘politicky’ I thought. We shy away from the beliefs of this small (but loud) minority and maybe we’ve just again proven why. The opposing views of this type are simply not compatible - conflict inevitable, despite the fact we are all ‘adults’.


So, despite the bollox I wrote in the removed post above, I think (maybe) we should just avoid these types of subjects. A ‘No Politics or Conspiracy Theories’ thread rider may be better for group harmony. My, quite new, opinion only.

Next problem - how do we categorise a conspiracy theory?