Engine cuts out when gear shift is engage.

Claudio · Mar 5, 2023

I got the part marked UP, that's the tilt switch on my euro 3 SCS, the other unit on mine isn't there

TonyA · Mar 5, 2023

Gojuu said:
Yep - that’s the part @TonyA. I don’t need one on my bike which was why I was happy to provide a spare to DBT. We don’t as yet know if they are still used in the New bikes, so - as you say - worth the effort.

Part of me wonders if it’s an equivalent part on another bike though - and given the actual tilt switch -I know which brand I’d start with…….

The flat pack is not used on Euro 4 and newer . This tilt pack was only needed on the bikes that had the earlier Euro 3 (less than 35 pins) OMEX or the very early pre-SC Delta 2010 to 2012 bikes. Eventually Norton used a Newer Omex that had the pinouts for these features. Sounds like a cost savings decision , but long story short SCS has these features built in thankfully .

speirmoor · May 29, 2024

Did we ever find a replacement for the flat "Tilt" part or find a way to remove it ?

TonyA · May 29, 2024

Not that I know of , but I don't have a bike like that to work with either. I would ask Stu Bodycote if he knows.

cliffa · May 30, 2024

speirmoor said:
Did we ever find a replacement for the flat "Tilt" part or find a way to remove it ?

The switch marked “UP” is the same as Triumph T2502405 (Switch , Fall Detection)

The other module seems to be specific to Norton.

speirmoor · May 30, 2024

Its the Norton Specific one I'm after.
I have a 700mi trip coming up next month and want to carry a spare or find a way to eliminate it altogether.
It seems to only act up on longer journeys .

cliffa · May 30, 2024

speirmoor said:
Its the Norton Specific one I'm after.
I have a 700mi trip coming up next month and want to carry a spare or find a way to eliminate it altogether.
It seems to only act up on longer journeys .

So going by information on the “Wiring Diagrams” parallel thread, it looks as though that was still used on the later Euro 4 bikes. I wonder if it’s still fitted to the TVS bikes?

It looks as if it’s some kind of logic gate, whereby power is only fed to the ignition if the bike is upright, in neutral, and the side stand is up.

speirmoor · May 30, 2024

cliffa said:
The switch marked “UP” is the same as Triumph T2502405 (Switch , Fall Detection)

The other module seems to be specific to Norton.

I ordered a couple of these to carry with me. One I'm going to use to troubleshoot the other to glue the pendulum in place to act as a cheater plug if things go south. I'm also upgrading the relays to the Honda recommended ones.

speirmoor · May 30, 2024

cliffa said:
So going by information on the “Wiring Diagrams” parallel thread, it looks as though that was still used on the later Euro 4 bikes. I wonder if it’s still fitted to the TVS bikes?

It looks as if it’s some kind of logic gate, whereby power is only fed to the ignition if the bike is upright, in neutral, and the side stand is up.

Thanks for looking in to this.

TonyA · May 30, 2024

speirmoor said:
Did we ever find a replacement for the flat "Tilt" part or find a way to remove it ?

Yes , its a solid state device. Is there a lot of trouble with this part ? I would ask Stu Bodycote. If you are going to the trouble of gluing the pendulum , you may as well solder a resistor in there like I did . If you do a search you will find the thread .

TonyA · May 30, 2024

speirmoor said:
Its the Norton Specific one I'm after.
I have a 700mi trip coming up next month and want to carry a spare or find a way to eliminate it altogether.
It seems to only act up on longer journeys .

Ok , The tip over sensor has three wires . One of them is return (ground) , the other will have 5 VDC , the third wire should be around .5 Vdc. or (low) . This is the signal back to the ECU or in your case to the tip over sensor pack. So with key on you can check if this line goes high when you rotate the sensor simulating a fall. Ohm out every fuse , make sure no cracks in them.

TonyA · May 30, 2024

speirmoor said:
Thanks for looking in to this.

Here is one of the old threads , seems like it was speirmoor back then .

Bike won’t start on the Paddock stand? and even more weird stuff.

Why won’t it start on the paddock stand but will on the ground? How does it know? EDIT Update, now it will start on the stand. I found a blown fuse. The funny thing is that it started on the ground before I replaced the fuse and then refused again when I put back up on the stand. All my...

www.accessnorton.com

cliffa · May 31, 2024

TonyA said:
Here is one of the old threads , seems like it was speirmoor back then .

Bike won’t start on the Paddock stand? and even more weird stuff.

Why won’t it start on the paddock stand but will on the ground? How does it know? EDIT Update, now it will start on the stand. I found a blown fuse. The funny thing is that it started on the ground before I replaced the fuse and then refused again when I put back up on the stand. All my...

www.accessnorton.com

Thanks for posting that Tony. I have just re-read that thread, and am now convinced that @speirmoor, you have a loose or bad connection to the Norton tilt module. The bike was acting up at one time and you found the module had come off it's velcro. Securing it fixed the issue. That means the wiring is now held in situ, but when it was free to move about you had issues. It points to a loose or bad connection. I would take an eyeglass and look very carefully at the connections. Or run the engine and move each wire about.

While I was looking at the pictures you posted in that thread I also spotted something which may be an optical illusion, but it looks as though the strain relief on the crimps have not been closed. I may be wrong, but it's worth checking...

Engine cuts out when gear shift is engage.

speirmoor · May 31, 2024

TonyA said:
Here is one of the old threads , seems like it was speirmoor back then .

Bike won’t start on the Paddock stand? and even more weird stuff.

Why won’t it start on the paddock stand but will on the ground? How does it know? EDIT Update, now it will start on the stand. I found a blown fuse. The funny thing is that it started on the ground before I replaced the fuse and then refused again when I put back up on the stand. All my...

www.accessnorton.com

Guilty

speirmoor · May 31, 2024

cliffa said:
Thanks for posting that Tony. I have just re-read that thread, and am now convinced that @speirmoor, you have a loose or bad connection to the Norton tilt module. The bike was acting up at one time and you found the module had come off it's velcro. Securing it fixed the issue. That means the wiring is now held in situ, but when it was free to move about you had issues. It points to a loose or bad connection. I would take an eyeglass and look very carefully at the connections. Or run the engine and move each wire about.

While I was looking at the pictures you posted in that thread I also spotted something which may be an optical illusion, but it looks as though the strain relief on the crimps have not been closed. I may be wrong, but it's worth checking...

View attachment 114659

I'll check that out when the relays get here

TonyA · Jun 1, 2024

speirmoor said:
Guilty

Hi , I have been looking at the schematic some more and there may be a way to cheat out the tilt flat pack. You will loose your not in neutral no start , side stand down funtions.

speirmoor · Jun 3, 2024

They’re in there tight. No amount of pulling will get one out.

speirmoor · Jun 3, 2024

TonyA said:
Hi , I have been looking at the schematic some more and there may be a way to cheat out the tilt flat pack. You will loose your not in neutral no start , side stand down funtions.

Is that all it does and there's no moving parts right?
I'm convinced its got to be the pendulum one thats giving me issues.
Its super sensitive, so much so that the bike wont start on the paddock stand

cliffa · Jun 3, 2024

speirmoor said:
They’re in there tight. No amount of pulling will get one out. View attachment 114724

As I suspected, the rear “strain relief” has not been crimped closed

It’s good that they are tight, but they are only relying on the copper electrical connection. If they shook around they would eventually break.

TonyA · Jun 3, 2024

speirmoor said:
Is that all it does and there's no moving parts right?
I'm convinced its got to be the pendulum one thats giving me issues.
Its super sensitive, so much so that the bike wont start on the paddock stand

You should replace it with the Triumph Tip over wwitch.

Engine cuts out when gear shift is engage.

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