Amal carbs and spark plugs issues and concerns

When tuning a modern Japanese two stroke, I would always set the carburation up according to the manual. Their approach to motorcycling is different. What they recommend is usually very good, and much more specific. Nortons are designed to be ridden by real motorcyclists, who can do things.
 
When tuning a modern Japanese two stroke, I would always set the carburation up according to the manual. Their approach to motorcycling is different. What they recommend is usually very good, and much more specific. Nortons are designed to be ridden by real motorcyclists, who can do things.
Modern?

Japanese?

Two stroke?
Amal carbs and spark plugs issues and concerns
Amal carbs and spark plugs issues and concerns
 
A modern Japanese two-stroke is probably 1970s, 1980s were probably the last. I am accustomed to the language which is used in historic racing. My friend has an excellent Yamaha RZ350. He actually managed to get some new old-stock needle jets for it, so it is pretty quick. I think it might be as fast as a Yamaha TR3 production racer. He rode it at Broadford and beat a Seeley 750 in a race for old idiots.
 
So I went for a ride today in open roads of wine country. My first real open road test ride since purchasing the bike (Mk3) and thanks to all the input here have it set up to need a short half choke start up idle then a minute or two later no choke and perfect idle. She ran marvelously. Plenty of power when opening up the throttled exhilarating in fact. Still some popping mainly in lower gears at high RPM downshifting. But not too bad. All in all, a super fun ear to ear grin ride through rolling hills of vineyards and wineries.

I think I may have an issue I was reading about on another thread here, and a few of you also pointed out, with the left exhaust pipe entering the head. The (mental blank on what the pipe nut is called, finned exhaust ring flange?) is tight but the spacer wiggles a bit. One person was saying to put two gaskets to sive the issue which could be allowing a leak. I will have to try that. Everything else is tight yet not too tight in the carbs, etc.

All in all, so much fun! Still mountains and mountains to learn. Need a lift as my 65 year old frame doesn't like being hunched low to the ground too much.
 
I mentioned leaking header pipes as a very common source for backfiring in the third post on the thread. In fact in 50 years plus of playing with these bikes it's the issue 90 % of the time.

Your bike us a Mk 111. Which, should if it is original, have a different slightly different mounting system in the head. The same system is found on latter MK11 and Mk11 A models.

Originally it would have had a balance pipe between the headers. Many people take them off and install pipes without the balance tube but if you still have the balance pipe the joints are a very common place for leaks.

With a Mk 111 type fitting there are collets that secure the pipe into the head because the balance pipe joint does not allow the clamping ring to slide on from the other end of the header pipe.


If you do have the original collet system you should clean everything carefully and without the pipe installed screw in the clamping ring with the collets and measure where it ends up when fully screwed in. It should screw in by hand. No force required. Often you find the gap is wider than can be taken up by the header pipe flange and a single ring gasket. If it is you can try two gaskets or even longer collets if you can find them.

You will understand the explanation better if you just trial assemble the pieces.

When you get the space out right assemble with the pipes and use high temperature RTV to seal and hold the clamping ring in place. After your first few rides when the bike is still hot retighten the clamping ring. You may need to do this several times. There are proper spanners available to tighten them without butchering the clamp.

Last issue is that the threads into the head can be ruined by careless owners. If the threads are ruined they can be repaired. Your in the US so Ill leave to the local guys to suggest a suitable repair place.
 
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I mentioned leaking header pipes as a very common source for backfiring in the third post on the thread. In fact in 50 years plus of playing with these bikes it's the issue 90 % of the time.

Your bike us a Mk 111. Which, should if it is original, have a different slightly different mounting system in the head. The same system is found on latter MK11 and Mk11 A models.

Originally it would have had a balance pipe between the headers. Many people take them off and install pipes without the balance tube but if you still have the balance pipe the joints are a very common place for leaks.

With a Mk 111 type fitting there are collets that secure the pipe into the head because the balance pipe joint does not allow the clamping ring to slide on from the other end of the header pipe.


If you do have the original collet system you should clean everything carefully and without the pipe installed screw in the clamping ring with the collets and measure where it ends up when fully screwed in. It should screw in by hand. No force required. Often you find the gap is wider than can be taken up by the header pipe flange and a single ring gasket. If it is you can try two gaskets or even longer collets if you can find them.

You will understand the explanation better if you just trial assemble the pieces.

When you get the space out right assemble with the pipes and use high temperature RTV to seal and hold the clamping ring in place. After your first few rides when the bike is still hot retighten the clamping ring. You may need to do this several times. There are proper spanners available to tighten them without butchering the clamp.

Last issue is that the threads into the head can be ruined by careless owners. If the threads are ruined they can be repaired. Your in the US so Ill leave to the local guys to suggest a suitable repair place.
Yep, this one has the balance pipe. The connections are tight. I will open it up and check out the measurements as you said and try the double gaskets if that seems to be the solution. Don't plan on replacing these pipes anytime soon or at all as the PO purchased these and put them on right before I made the purchase. They seem a good aftermarket solution and they sound great.
 
Yep, this one has the balance pipe. The connections are tight. I will open it up and check out the measurements as you said and try the double gaskets if that seems to be the solution. Don't plan on replacing these pipes anytime soon or at all as the PO purchased these and put them on right before I made the purchase. They seem a good aftermarket solution and they sound great.
I had the backfire issue with mine just last year. The header pipes were tight but I found evidence of exhaust leaks at the slot in the connector tube where the pinch bolts tighten. I sealed them with RTV.

Leaking here.
 

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Yep, this one has the balance pipe. The connections are tight. I will open it up and check out the measurements as you said and try the double gaskets if that seems to be the solution. Don't plan on replacing these pipes anytime soon or at all as the PO purchased these and put them on right before I made the purchase. They seem a good aftermarket solution and they sound great.
On my mk2, the balance pipe header cracked at the Y branch....was very hard to actully see crack. Perhaps check for blowig gases while idling, or give if all a good push/pull when cold by hand and inspecting with a magnifing lens?
When you mentioned a "gasket" not held tight, any chance you are looking at the "securing" rings with the tabs bent to hold exhaust rose nuts one side and head fins the other? Those are commonly fitted and do not really help to secure the roses and they tend to shake and rattle in place.
 
On my mk2, the balance pipe header cracked at the Y branch....was very hard to actully see crack. Perhaps check for blowig gases while idling, or give if all a good push/pull when cold by hand and inspecting with a magnifing lens?
When you mentioned a "gasket" not held tight, any chance you are looking at the "securing" rings with the tabs bent to hold exhaust rose nuts one side and head fins the other? Those are commonly fitted and do not really help to secure the roses and they tend to shake and rattle in place.
I'm assuming he means these crush washer/spacers/gaskets. I have also used copper crush seal washer/ gaskets there.


 
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I'm assuming he means these crush washer/spacers/gaskets. I have also used copper crush seal washer/ gaskets there.


Yes I presume those. Thanks for the clarification. My vintage motorcycle vocabulary leaves a lot to be desired. But I'll catch on.

My last bike was a 73 Yamaha XS 650 that I bored to 7something and assembled from parts when I was 16. Later graduated to sports cars then married and raised twin daughters and am just now returning full circle to motorcycles with my first Norton. The "cycle" of life right?
 
I had the backfire issue with mine just last year. The header pipes were tight but I found evidence of exhaust leaks at the slot in the connector tube where the pinch bolts tighten. I sealed them with RTV.

Leaking here.
Thanks for the pic although it's hard to make out much, but makes for a nice abstract.
 
On another note. My Mk3 came with an anti sump device. I know I know. I read one of the threads on them until my eyes went blurry. My questions are as follows:

1. Don't most of these have a switch? Mine does not, at least not that I can see.
2. Are these mainly so you don't have to drain the oil when letting them sit a while?

I can easily get rid of it or not. Will decide once I have a better handle on it.

Thanks in advance.
 
On another note. My Mk3 came with an anti sump device. I know I know. I read one of the threads on them until my eyes went blurry. My questions are as follows:

1. Don't most of these have a switch? Mine does not, at least not that I can see.
2. Are these mainly so you don't have to drain the oil when letting them sit a while?

I can easily get rid of it or not. Will decide once I have a better handle on it.

Thanks in advance.
If it came with an on off toggle in the oil feed line and if it is not wired into the ignition feed then you better have the best memory in the world to always turn it on. Or else take it out.

It is to stop wet sumping if you leave the bike several days. I cannot give you a firm time period because different bikes take longer to wet sump. I'm lucky. My bike takes 3 months to wetsump so I don't really have an issue and have never fitted an anti wet sump devise of any kind.

If your is a bad one then this sump plug is a good option. The smaller bolt can be removed many times without disturbing the threads in the crank case.

 
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