961 is back !

I just wanna say this whole nortonrider roadshow thing has 0 to do with me.

I've messaged Norton loads of times asking them to stop using it when they used it as a hashtag n now they are using my exact YouTube name nortonrider but with a hashtag to promote some new roadshow.

Really sucks I know in the land of bloggers an stuff my thing is small n niche but I still get alot of other enthusiasts coming up speaking to me an rather than my name always call me Nortonrider so it stings alot tbh.

Especially when last year at motorcycle live two off the social media team pounced on me as soon as I stepped near the Stand declaring you are Norton Rider so it's not like they didn't know about me using it. Maybe I made some valid points about the treatment of existing 961 owners, I nearly bought one myself.

It's just real shame they operate like that had people like John Hogan looking at my profile all week on instagram (it shows me who views the stories) so bit gutted to see they then launched that this week.

Especially as I've been going through some struggles with my mental health recently.

I've put my heart an soul into my lil Norton blogs so it really drives me nuts.
 
norton_rider said:
I just wanna say this whole nortonrider roadshow thing has 0 to do with me.

I've messaged Norton loads of times asking them to stop using it when they used it as a hashtag n now they are using my exact YouTube name nortonrider but with a hashtag to promote some new roadshow.

Really sucks I know in the land of bloggers an stuff my thing is small n niche but I still get alot of other enthusiasts coming up speaking to me an rather than my name always call me Nortonrider so it stings alot tbh.

Especially when last year at motorcycle live two off the social media team pounced on me as soon as I stepped near the Stand declaring you are Norton Rider so it's not like they didn't know about me using it. Maybe I made some valid points about the treatment of existing 961 owners, I nearly bought one myself.

It's just real shame they operate like that had people like John Hogan looking at my profile all week on instagram (it shows me who views the stories) so bit gutted to see they then launched that this week.

Especially as I've been going through some struggles with my mental health recently.

I've put my heart an soul into my lil Norton blogs so it really drives me nuts.
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Aren't you norton.rider? rather than nortonrider?

And, if they use the # aren't they just directing traffic to you anyway? isn't that good? Sorry. I might not understand what it is that they are doing to you very well. Can you explain it?
 
Only on here gojuu my YouTube has been nortonrider since 2010.

I'm not really bothered about gaining traffic.

Over here in the UK when I'm out an about at bike meets even though my page is tiny I'll often get people coming up asking about the bikes because they recognise me as NortonRider rather than my own name.

The hashtag was one thing but now they are doing a NortonRider road show. Visordown just put an article up without using a hashtag.

Bearing in mind two off the social media team pounced on me last year, at our national motorcycle show proclaiming you are nortonrider arnt you we follow your page literally within seconds of me stepping on the stand.

Fast forward to now and not only are they using it as a hashtag, they are now using it as the name off a roadshow.

I've had quite a few people asking if I had anything to do with it so I thought I'd post on here and say I don't because I've always paid my own way an the fact I'm independent to any of the brands matters to me.

I've been around the design and print industry for years n worked with many blue chip companies so I know how the meetings work.

I'd also had quite a bit of back and forward with the social media team when they were just using the hashtag and I noticed that.

There should have been due process to see if someone was using similar and the morrally correct thing usually is to reach out when doing branding. If they weren't aware I could understand but they were fully aware. Just sucks a bit tbh if that's how they are gonna operate.

Anyways I won't be posting for a bit on here as I'm not well at the moment but I just wanted to post for some off the UK members that know me.

It just sucks when you see visor down posting about a nortonrider road show and other companies and I've spent forever singing the good name off Classic n vintage Nortons with it.

All I can say it must have been one easy design meeting.

It wouldn't have been hard to come up with something original I can think of 20+ right now but it jumps on the back off the effort I've done.

Anyways I'll leave you all to it for a while, as I need to recover my health but I just wanted to let everyone who knows me personally 0 to do with me.
 
Thanks mate I also forgot to add people on YouTube have been stealing my images that I'd watermarked with Norton.rider for my instagram n nortonrider for YouTube.

Before anyone says it I know its not trademarked but usually in meetings when new branding is being done for a company things are discussed as to if anyone in the same industry is using something.

So if anyone sees anything for sale it isn't me I was able to issue a takedown notice on the pictures on ebay as they had stolen my actual photog but that's not to say someone else won't do it again.

Catch you all on the flipside when I'm well.
 
I thought you had started a fresh thread about this but cannot see it now, but anyway, why don’t you use the power of social media, and ask Norton on their Facebook etc. pages why they have done this? This kind of thing cannot do their reputation any good. I’m pretty sure if situation was reversed Norton would have thier lawyers on you like a shot.
 
cliffa said:
I thought you had started a fresh thread about this but cannot see it now, but anyway, why don’t you use the power of social media, and ask Norton on their Facebook etc. pages why they have done this? This kind of thing cannot do their reputation any good. I’m pretty sure if situation was reversed Norton would have thier lawyers on you like a shot.
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Unfortunately, there is little, if any, recourse other than what Cliffa has suggested and that could be just poking a sleeping bear. You are also using the Norton name, which as well all know, is protected.

A hashtag has little chance of protection and "’ is registerable as a trademark of service only if it functions as an identifier of the source of the applicant’s goods or services.” and "In the United Kingdom, a mark is registerable if is distinctive and has the capacity to individualize the goods and services of a particular undertaking. If such a link exists and the mark does not communicate a message that could apply to any other undertaking then, as with other trademarks, a hashtag-based mark is registerable."
In reality, they could come back and state you are infringing on their trademark, so I would be careful of what you say to them, or they might shut you down entirely.

Personally, I suggest taking the extra traffic you are getting if that's your social media goal. If you don't care about the traffic, then you have very little to complain about since its drives people to you regardless.

Alternatively, you could spend some time coming up with content that pokes fun at them using "your" tag and then direct people to the content Norton wanted them to see.

I think that's a more healthy way to handle that especially since you are rightly bothered by their social media team's lack of "netiquette"
 
Hi City I actually disagree tbh we will all see it differently, the main issue I had was it looks like I'm connected to Norton which I'm not, we all know how the last ones reputation and it's far to early to see how this one is going to go TVS Backed or Not.

I'm to ill at the moment to get drawn into anything I just wanted to make people aware that I don't have anything to do with it as I've had people asking that's all.

Regarding the use of Norton as a word you only need to tap it into companies house and there's over 6,430 companies inc garages registered on companies house in the UK using the word Norton as part of the name and 1,512 using the word rider, it's like when Apple computers used the word Apple and someone else was using it, it's a generic word just like rider, the irritating thing is they after meeting me decided to start using my exact combination in marketing material without even popping me a message I used it since 2010.

If I was using the trademarked Norton Motorcycles registered trademark logo or Norton Motorcycles name I could understand then it would be poking a bear but I'm not. I'm using my own combination off two generic words.

The main reason for posting even if I described it absolutely all over the place (I'm struggling badly with my disability at the moment so typing and words etc is hard its took me ages to reply to this) on top of the issues I've faced due to some discrimination regarding it and the fallout for my mental health.

I can't stop them using it like they cant stop me I've already messaged back and forward to them about that as its dual use even though I was using it first. It just sucked from my perspective that they couldn't come up with something original as a company off that magnitude as I've been asked a few times when out if I was now connected to them which I'm not.

I just wanted to say from my perspective I just thought it was a bit dishonourable but then that's the way I've been brought up where my word or a handshake is my bond.

I would have potentially been a modern Norton customer in the future, if they get a bike to market but not now.

The bigger issue is people stealing my images at the moment to use to sell tools, keep having to deal with that at the moment and I had someone who was going to bid on something who thought I was selling it, when I wasn't an someone had lifted a picture of the timing tool from my social media and left my water mark on. So I wanted to make you all aware.

Anyways this is gonna be my last post on the forum for a few months now, as I need to take care off myself, turned my forum notifications off.

In closing the main purpose of my post is,

I just wanted to make anyone aware and make it crystal clear in the UK an the world who looks at my stuff who know's me as NortonRider that I have 0 to do with the nortonrider roadshow Norton Motorcycles are doing currently to promote the 961 in the UK hence posting it in the 961 thread as it's in all the bike press over here advertising it as the NortonRider Roadshow, so people keep getting crossed wires, I had a feeling when they started using it as a hashtag that it'd move beyond that and it has, over and out.

They are aware off the issues it was causing when they used it as a hashtag but now it's a marketing campaign it's magnified it.
 
norton_rider said:
Hi City I actually disagree tbh we will all see it differently, the main issue I had was it looks like I'm connected to Norton which I'm not, we all know how the last ones reputation and it's far to early to see how this one is going to go TVS Backed or Not.

I'm to ill at the moment to get drawn into anything I just wanted to make people aware that I don't have anything to do with it as I've had people asking that's all.

Regarding the use of Norton as a word you only need to tap it into companies house and there's over 6,430 companies inc garages registered on companies house in the UK using the word Norton as part of the name and 1,512 using the word rider, it's like when Apple computers used the word Apple and someone else was using it, it's a generic word just like rider, the irritating thing is they after meeting me decided to start using my exact combination in marketing material without even popping me a message I used it since 2010.

If I was using the trademarked Norton Motorcycles registered trademark logo or Norton Motorcycles name I could understand then it would be poking a bear but I'm not. I'm using my own combination off two generic words.

The main reason for posting even if I described it absolutely all over the place (I'm struggling badly with my disability at the moment so typing and words etc is hard its took me ages to reply to this) on top of the issues I've faced due to some discrimination regarding it and the fallout for my mental health.

I can't stop them using it like they cant stop me I've already messaged back and forward to them about that as its dual use even though I was using it first. It just sucked from my perspective that they couldn't come up with something original as a company off that magnitude as I've been asked a few times when out if I was now connected to them which I'm not.

I just wanted to say from my perspective I just thought it was a bit dishonourable but then that's the way I've been brought up where my word or a handshake is my bond.

I would have potentially been a modern Norton customer in the future, if they get a bike to market but not now.

The bigger issue is people stealing my images at the moment to use to sell tools, keep having to deal with that at the moment and I had someone who was going to bid on something who thought I was selling it, when I wasn't an someone had lifted a picture of the timing tool from my social media and left my water mark on. So I wanted to make you all aware.

Anyways this is gonna be my last post on the forum for a few months now, as I need to take care off myself, turned my forum notifications off.

In closing the main purpose of my post is,

I just wanted to make anyone aware and make it crystal clear in the UK an the world who looks at my stuff who know's me as NortonRider that I have 0 to do with the nortonrider roadshow Norton Motorcycles are doing currently to promote the 961 in the UK hence posting it in the 961 thread as it's in all the bike press over here advertising it as the NortonRider Roadshow, so people keep getting crossed wires, I had a feeling when they started using it as a hashtag that it'd move beyond that and it has, over and out.

They are aware off the issues it was causing when they used it as a hashtag but now it's a marketing campaign it's magnified it.
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You should have started a new thread if that was your purpose, not hide it in this one. My post was more about making lemonade from lemons type of thing, not for you to defend what your issues are.

Anyone who has a web presence deals with this. I have had emails and call from people because of similar things, but the funny thing is that the 'knew" it was ours etc which you have stated was the case so again, you type a lot of words for something you could turn into a positive with some help from you fellow forum members. So why not ask all of us who are on Instagram or wherever they are using that tag for to say something about not using that tag or use a #thattagbelongstosomeoneelse type of thing? maybe a dozen or so people using that could turn the tide for you. If you have that many or more to reach out to then do so


Is the other nortonrider yours as well or is that someone else? There is also another account norton_rider? I point that out because one looks to be older than your account.

Again don't focus on the issue focus on making it a positive for you. You have 865 subscribers you can reach out to on YouTube and I know you would get some help here if you asked for it. Also you have 2775 followers on Insta.

So my suggestion is make a new thread, keep it short and simple, no whining just tell us what you need and we will help you out. It might not work but I for one will help because it sucks they did that.

I just posted on the last Instagram post that the #nortonrider is @norton_rider
 
All sorted everyone huge thanks to John at Norton an the team they reached out after my posts and understood my concerns about how someone might think my nortonrider YouTube had something to do with the roadshow. From either or perspective.

The main thing was when visor down ran an article as nortonrider roadshow with no hashtag. I started getting a flood of questions on it.

It made it look like I was collabing its just a hobby to me an I wouldn't want anyone buying a 961 thinking it had my thumbs up or down. Hence posting it in the thread.

My page has been evolving from just posting about my 4 nortons and I've been trying to document the struggles I've faced in the past the best I can as the result of bullying.

Yep the other account on here is mine from a long while ago.

I'll catch you all in the future but just wanted to give the positive reply to how it was sorted.

Thanks for all the help and comments everyone + all the private messages on Instagram it means the world.
Nice that somethings gone right for once.
 
We’ve seen this, but if you have’nt it’s worth a look - a young man, but he gets the point of comparing apples with apples.

I spent some time in a Triumph dealer today and about 20 minutes looking at the Thruxton RS Chrome Edition - beutiful looking bike. But yes, that drive sprocket cover is hardened plastic. Does that affect performance - of course not.

Went home and had a good look at the Norton. Not talking performance here, talking build and component quality - absolutely no comparison.

Yeh, yeh I know I’m biased and a Norton fan-boy but, I also think the Triumph is an awesome bike - still really want a Thruxton TFC in my garage!

Just don’t ask anyone to justify the extra couple of grand based on quality. Especially cos we’re not all interested in outright performance and riding modes.;)👍





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And yes, ok, I was wearing a Norton T-shirt in the Triumph dealership - ya got to haven’t you!
 
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Stephen_Spencer said:
We’ve seen this, but if you have’nt it’s worth a look - a young man, but he gets the point of comparing apples with apples.

I spent some time in a Triumph dealer today and about 20 minutes looking at the Thruxton RS Chrome Edition - beutiful looking bike. But yes, that drive sprocket cover is hardened plastic. Does that affect performance - of course not.

Went home and had a good look at the Norton. Not talking performance here, talking build and component quality - absolutely no comparison.

Yeh, yeh I know I’m biased and a Norton fan-boy but, I also think the Triumph is an awesome bike - still really want a Thruxton TFC in my garage!

Just don’t ask anyone to justify the extra couple of grand based on quality. Especially cos we’re not all interested in outright performance and riding modes.;)👍





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And yes, ok, I was wearing a Norton T-shirt in the Triumph dealership - ya got to haven’t you!
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Not for nothing but I'd rather have plastic sprocket cover than a plastic fuel tank.
 
Yep, the Thruxton is a great bike, no doubt! Which is why bike builders are having a ball customising it.

Colour scheme not for everyone but look more closely - this would be an absolute hoot to ride!

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Stephen_Spencer said:
We’ve seen this, but if you have’nt it’s worth a look - a young man, but he gets the point of comparing apples with apples.

I spent some time in a Triumph dealer today and about 20 minutes looking at the Thruxton RS Chrome Edition - beutiful looking bike. But yes, that drive sprocket cover is hardened plastic. Does that affect performance - of course not.

Went home and had a good look at the Norton. Not talking performance here, talking build and component quality - absolutely no comparison.

Yeh, yeh I know I’m biased and a Norton fan-boy but, I also think the Triumph is an awesome bike - still really want a Thruxton TFC in my garage!

Just don’t ask anyone to justify the extra couple of grand based on quality. Especially cos we’re not all interested in outright performance and riding modes.;)👍





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And yes, ok, I was wearing a Norton T-shirt in the Triumph dealership - ya got to haven’t you!
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I have a Triumph bobber TFC and have done some work on the triumph bobbers. I’m wondering why the bobbers have an aluminum cover and you state the thruxton is plastic?

I agree they are different in that one has billet aluminum parts and one has cast or plastic parts.
But, if you are comparing quality, how can you not include performance? By performance, I’m not talking power or speed. I’m talking performance as in dependability. The triumph would safely take you across the world and also have spares available if need. Nobody can say that about the Norton. Well, maybe one person.

We have 961 bikes with plastic gas tanks, plastic air boxes, plastic headlight housings, plastic tail sections, plastic mud guards and plate holders.
 
Yep, we’ve done this subject to death of course - as we know the Thruxton is a more reliable, better performing bike.

More comments surfacing like this one from Kevin (FB) on the 961 SP. We’re a long way off being able to talk reliably of course. It’ll be interesting to watch things unfold. Lets hope it’s the outcome we’re all looking for; there have been a few reports of old faults re-occurring.

961 is back !
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
We’ve seen this, but if you have’nt it’s worth a look - a young man, but he gets the point of comparing apples with apples.

I spent some time in a Triumph dealer today and about 20 minutes looking at the Thruxton RS Chrome Edition - beutiful looking bike. But yes, that drive sprocket cover is hardened plastic. Does that affect performance - of course not.

Went home and had a good look at the Norton. Not talking performance here, talking build and component quality - absolutely no comparison.

Yeh, yeh I know I’m biased and a Norton fan-boy but, I also think the Triumph is an awesome bike - still really want a Thruxton TFC in my garage!

Just don’t ask anyone to justify the extra couple of grand based on quality. Especially cos we’re not all interested in outright performance and riding modes.;)👍





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And yes, ok, I was wearing a Norton T-shirt in the Triumph dealership - ya got to haven’t you!
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Well I am a Norton man but I also love my Thruxton, bought a new 2013 Thruxton 865 but in 2018 I brought a new old stock 2016 Thruxton 1200 S, at a heavily reduced price, reduced from $22 400 AU down to $17900 and asked for todays price and they dropped another $1000 off the price it also had the fairing kit fitted, (the Thruxton R model at the time was just under
$24000 and didn't have any old stock on hand at the time), was a good deal for a new old stock bike at the time, the new Norton's were priced here for $35000 au and up depends on what model you wanted and not too many around at dealers at the time here + all the supply problems they were having and parts.
So you can see why I went the Thruxton way, at $17000 I could buy 2 Thruxtons for the price of one Norton here and the Thruxton has more HP than the Norton and six speed box.
By the way my drive sprocket cover is alloy not plastic.
The only thing I have done to my Thruxton was a Meerkat x-pipe and opened up my stock mufflers and Ikon shocks on the rear and near 6 years of ownership and over 30k mile on it with hard riding and many long trips away (would have a lot more miles on it but 2 years of covid lock downs and travel restrictions) I haven't touched it still runs better than the first day I brought it home, here is a pic of it the first day I brought it home and a pic of all 3 bikes together, sadly the old 865 Thruxton is long gone.

Ashley
961 is back !
961 is back !
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Yep, we’ve done this subject to death of course - as we know the Thruxton is a more reliable, better performing bike.

More comments surfacing like this one from Kevin (FB) on the 961 SP. We’re a long way off being able to talk reliably of course. It’ll be interesting to watch things unfold. Lets hope it’s the outcome we’re all looking for; there have been a few reports of old faults re-occurring.

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It also appears that TVS failed on the improvements. Look at the new owners that have been having the same similar issues as Donington owners.
 

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