“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”

lcrken said:
Tony, you told me that Talon can't supply them any more. Does this mean they still have some available?

Ken
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No Ken , What I said or meant to say is that they have been DISCONTINUED and when stock is depleted they will not be replenished . So get them now guys while they are still on the shelves .
 
Having the Talon spoked hub machined out to accept the available BST type rubbers would be a great plan if this is possible (meaning enough material in the cush drive bosses to allow this opening and deepening) . A set of 5 BST rubbers were 95 USD and a set of 5 BST bolts was 50 USD . It would be awsome Ken if you could look into this possible machining out ! Once we know its possible is it just a matter of taking your rear wheel to a machine shop and having it done.?
 
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MxMartin said:
Which hubs take the talon rubbers and how long do they last? I'm a little confused.
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Most are saying about 5000 miles . I am on my 3rd set at 14,700 miles. You can try to run them longer , but when you see how compressed they are at the contact points you will want to replace them . These hubs should never have been used by Norton/Skinner , KTM have had trouble with them years ago and they were using the same type rubber bushings. These hubs were discontinued more than 7 years ago according to TALON ! That means when my 2014 was built these hubs were already obsolete. Norton must have got a lot of them cheap is all I can think of at the moment. I am rather disappointed that my premium motorcycle has been let down by these not fit for purpose rear hubs. I am sure that a suitable rear hub was available to Norton from Talon at a higher cost. OR DID or any other ! We've been getting stuffed from the beginning !
 
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TonyA said:
These hubs were discontinued more than 7 years ago according to TALON ! That means when my 2014 was built these hubs were already obsolete!
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From what i've been reading in recent days it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that these aren't Talon hubs at all but a generic copy produced in some far off sweatshop, anything to save those R&D pennies on reverse engineering new type hubs. Norton didn't stockpile anything so if Talon discontinued them they came from somewhere, and at the claimed build rate that is a lot of hubs in 7 years!
 
lcrken said:
I've been looking for info on other similar cush drive rubbers, and this is what I've found so far. I'll add more info as I get it.

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Ken
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Hello Ken I've made a few measurements and I think there is enough room for the deepening of the cush drive holes in the Talon rear hub to accept the BST rubbers !
 
TonyA said:
Most are saying about 5000 miles . I am on my 3rd set at 14,700 miles. You can try to run them longer , but when you see how compressed they are at the contact points you will want to replace them . These hubs should never have been used by Norton/Skinner , KTM have had trouble with them years ago and they were using the same type rubber bushings. These hubs were discontinued more than 7 years ago according to TALON ! That means when my 2014 was built these hubs were already obsolete. Norton must have got a lot of them cheap is all I can think of at the moment. I am rather disappointed that my premium motorcycle has been let down by these not fit for purpose rear hubs. I am sure that a suitable rear hub was available to Norton from Talon at a higher cost. OR DID or any other ! We've been getting stuffed from the beginning !
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Why can’t a better rubber or urethane be used?
Do you have a picture of our crush rubbers?
 
TonyA said:
Hello Ken I've made a few measurements and I think there is enough room for the deepening of the cush drive holes in the Talon rear hub to accept the BST rubbers !
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That would certainly seem like a good solution. I'm pretty sure those rubbers will be available for some time.

The other thing that interests me is that almost everyone else uses a steel bushing inside the rubber, but the Talon drives against the rubber directly with the head of the mounting bolt. I wonder if the steel bushing helps them last longer. Some of them also have the steel bushing bonded to the rubber, but I don't know if all of them do. It would seem like that might offer better wear than directly driving the rubber with the head of the bolt. That would be possible if casting them from a liquid urethane. In the meantime, I'm waiting for the Gale Speed rubbers to arrive, to see if they can be adapted. I'm also ordering some polyurethane rubber tube to see if I can come up with a better machining process than I've been using.

Ken
 
Voodooo said:
Why can’t a better rubber or urethane be used?
Do you have a picture of our crush rubbers?
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The originals are undoubtedly a polyurethane rubber, and as I mentioned, they measure about 75 on the Shore A scale. 80A is a pretty common hardness for similar cush rubbers in other bikes, so that seems about right. People seem to use the terms urethane, polyurethane, urethane rubber, and polyurethane rubber interchangeably now, but polyurethane just means a mixture of urethanes, so almost everything we're interested in is technically just a polyurethane elastomer. So, in our case, you could make them out of a harder grade, and probably get more life out of them, but you would also get less shock absorbtion.

This is a picture of my used Talon rubbers installed in a BST wheel. They were already getting kind of beat up after ~5,000 miles in the Talon wheel. After I took this picture, I decided not to use them, and machined some bolts so I could use the new BST rubbers that came with the wheels.

“WHICH PARTS FROM OTHER BIKES FIT THE 961”


Ken
 
Ken did you find the BST cush rubbers for a good price ? What I saw was $95 for a set of 5 . Thasts about 3 times more what they charge at Talon for theirs. But it would be worth it if they last long ! I had to pay $88 for 10 ea of the Talon cush rubbers . That includes $8 S&H.
 
TonyA said:
Ken did you find the BST cush rubbers for a good price ? What I saw was $95 for a set of 5 . Thasts about 3 times more what they charge at Talon for theirs. But it would be worth it if they last long ! And they will last longer being 2.5 mm wider .. I had to pay $88 for 10 ea of the Talon cush rubbers . That includes $8 S&H.
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TonyA said:
Ken did you find the BST cush rubbers for a good price ? What I saw was $95 for a set of 5 . Thasts about 3 times more what they charge at Talon for theirs. But it would be worth it if they last long ! I had to pay $88 for 10 ea of the Talon cush rubbers . That includes $8 S&H.
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I haven't really looked for a better price. Mine came with the BST wheels. I have noticed that the common price for most suppliers of the BST rubbers is $95 for a set of 5.

For comparison, the set of Gale Speed rubbers I ordered from Japan cost about $63, including shipping.

FWIW, a 6" piece of 1.25" OD, .625" ID Shore 80A polyethylene rubber tube costs US$21.32 from McMaster-Carr, plus shipping, and should make 9 or 10 rubbers, so a real bargain if one can get the machining right.

Ken
 
Hello Ken , I am OK with that price , Just asking that's all. They will last longer , everyone that has BST wheels says so. if we can find a suitable replacement for the Talon spoked cush rubber great ! If I have to get my rear wheel hub machined , well I only have to do it once !
 
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