Why no one buy it?
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And the price. If you don't have the parts in your stash to complete it, you could end up with $10-20K investment and no title. Getting a clean title these days can be expensive and risky. In Ohio, the DMV will balk at many out of state titles if it has been issued recently. Court ordered titles are possible if you know the right people. Unfortunately, I'm not in those circles.
Hi Ron,
About title, here in Italy you can have a new title for historycal bike (30 years old) even if the previous owner is unknown.
The bike must be all original and in good condition.
The costs are about 600 euros.
Six mounths the time you need.
Piero
Hi.
I dont think the gearbox numbers are re stambed.
The last Ranger had the gearbox matching numbers in those positions and they seems to me clear.
Piero
No AMC bike ever had the chassis number stamped on the gearbox. The gearbox serial number follows it's own scheme.
P11s has the g/b serial number stamped on the upper lug, as shown in the link below and also testified by expert Anthony Curzon.
My two P11 gearboxes are also stamped like this, and I have seen half a dozen others which follows the same pattern: P11xxxxx.
The "11" is set with smaller letters.
If stamped differently, it's not a genuine gearbox. Maybe the original shell cracked and a shell off a G/N15 was restamped? All P11 gearboxes are of the revised 1962 "MA" type.
The gearbox in the ad is of the "M" type and clearly is not genuine.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-P11...594819?hash=item2a4a06ef03:g:IeAAAOSw2XFUlGSP
https://www.nortonownersclub.org
-Knut
P11s has the g/b serial number stamped on the upper lug, as shown in the link below and also testified by expert Anthony Curzon.
My two P11 gearboxes are also stamped like this, and I have seen half a dozen others which follows the same pattern: P11xxxxx.
The "11" is set with smaller letters.
If stamped differently, it's not a genuine gearbox. Maybe the original shell cracked and a shell off a G/N15 was restamped? All P11 gearboxes are of the revised 1962 "MA" type.
The gearbox in the ad is of the "M" type and clearly is not genuine.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-P11...594819?hash=item2a4a06ef03:g:IeAAAOSw2XFUlGSP
https://www.nortonownersclub.org
-Knut
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Hi Knut,
You have right for P11, P11 A, P11 A Ranger that have the gearbox stamped
with suffix P11 and five numbers that dont match with frame/engine.
But all the last P11 A Ranger 750 (from 128646 to 129145) have the gearbox with the same six numbers of the frame/engine, without suffix P11, and with a final letter like Commando.
The numbers are stamped not on the upper lug but on the side.
Piero
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Piero, I stand corrected. The deviation seen in Ranger 750 g/b stamping is a mystery. I will have to ask Tony Curzon about why the factory might have done this. Maybe a legal requirement? The long series of numbers sure wouldn't fit on the upper lug.
-Knut
-Knut
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Here in the US, the title requirements are set by whichever of the 51 states where you reside. As a result there are 51 different sets of title laws. A vehicle with no title history or worse yet one with a title history but with the registered owner either deceased or current residency unknown is very difficult to obtain a clear title.
By the way, 600 euros is about 720 US dollars. Pretty expensive in my opinion.
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This just in from the most reliable authority we all know and love in Old Blighty;
"Can you inform the bloke on the P11A Ranger 750 that is for sale on EBay that all P11A Ranger 750’s from 128646 to 129145 all had their gearbox numbers stamped with the same numbers as the engine and frame numbers. The P11A Ranger 750’s also had either the letter M or the letter S at the end of the gearbox number. He is incorrect to say that the P11A Ranger 750’s gearbox is stamped incorrectly. I have four P11A Ranger 750’s and the gearbox numbers are stamped on the middle casting.
The gearbox top mounting lugs are stamped with the P11 gearbox number from 121007 to 126123."
Hope this helps to set the record straight.
C-ya, Jer
"Can you inform the bloke on the P11A Ranger 750 that is for sale on EBay that all P11A Ranger 750’s from 128646 to 129145 all had their gearbox numbers stamped with the same numbers as the engine and frame numbers. The P11A Ranger 750’s also had either the letter M or the letter S at the end of the gearbox number. He is incorrect to say that the P11A Ranger 750’s gearbox is stamped incorrectly. I have four P11A Ranger 750’s and the gearbox numbers are stamped on the middle casting.
The gearbox top mounting lugs are stamped with the P11 gearbox number from 121007 to 126123."
Hope this helps to set the record straight.
C-ya, Jer
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By the way, that HM 4119 stamped on the crankcase means that the bike was originally sold by Harry's Motors in Denver. A dealership started in 1927 by Harry Tagaris and well known in the western states. They stamped the cases of every motorcycle they sold with a serial number. I have a P11 frame and engine that came from them.
It seems that when any of us mortals says something about P11 must first wait for confirmation of the GURU.
It seems to possess a P11 you must have the permission of a supreme authority.
I my P11 made myself, from scratch, with my hands, using tools and not the pens.
When i had problems, i have asked and received help from many knowledgeable people that are here in the blog.
The advices received from you good fellows are worth more than an elusive treaty "from prehistory to the present".
Ciao.
Piero
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My position is that these bikes are for fun and can be whatever you want them to be. 100% original as new from the factory or a beat up old nail that still makes you smile. I'm happy to have friends that thoroughly know the in's & out's of how P11's were originally manufactured and delivered to their dealers. After that, it's game on, you're free to make it into whatever you like. We're all big boys here and we should be able to dish it out as well as take it. Take what you like and leave the rest. No offense should be taken either way.
I have not offended anyone.
And i have never sayd i know more than you and i am better than you (holier than thou); quiete the contrary, I publicly thanked the dozens of fans who here helped me with their valuable advices to solve every problem I had and made it possible to rebuild a bike that I didn't know, giving me new knowledge.
And thanks to all of you, my bikes are beauty and run great.
On the contrary, I received a nice mail from a those fellow that said that my bike was the result of an "horrendous restoration" only because i started from a chopperized frame and fitted flanged hubs, solo seat, and high pipes, parts of different p11's model (i am guarding this mail with such kindly definition received!).
After those time i have rebuilt myself other P11's: i love all my P11’s “horrendous restorations”.
It is not talcked down if i say that to understand if the numbers of a gearbox are genuine or fake no need the ratification of a Supreme Autority, as well as there is no need for a treaty to rebuild a P11: maybe have i committed a crime of "Lese Majeste"?.
Do you want rebuild a P11?: You just have fantasy and to get your hands dirty with tools and grease and not with ink.
And if i have a problem, here in this blog I always find dozens of fans, friendly and willing to give me the best and competent advices as well as i have received when I made a big mistake with my N15 engine.
In any case, your Expressing apreciation for a friend makes you honor, I would do it myself.
Hope, however, that in the future the author of a treaty on P11 can win the Pulitzer Prize or, why not, the Nobel Prize for literature.
I will gladly buy this book because i never stop learning about mechanics.
But, someone also should never stop to learn about etiquette.
Ciao
Piero
And i have never sayd i know more than you and i am better than you (holier than thou); quiete the contrary, I publicly thanked the dozens of fans who here helped me with their valuable advices to solve every problem I had and made it possible to rebuild a bike that I didn't know, giving me new knowledge.
And thanks to all of you, my bikes are beauty and run great.
On the contrary, I received a nice mail from a those fellow that said that my bike was the result of an "horrendous restoration" only because i started from a chopperized frame and fitted flanged hubs, solo seat, and high pipes, parts of different p11's model (i am guarding this mail with such kindly definition received!).
After those time i have rebuilt myself other P11's: i love all my P11’s “horrendous restorations”.
It is not talcked down if i say that to understand if the numbers of a gearbox are genuine or fake no need the ratification of a Supreme Autority, as well as there is no need for a treaty to rebuild a P11: maybe have i committed a crime of "Lese Majeste"?.
Do you want rebuild a P11?: You just have fantasy and to get your hands dirty with tools and grease and not with ink.
And if i have a problem, here in this blog I always find dozens of fans, friendly and willing to give me the best and competent advices as well as i have received when I made a big mistake with my N15 engine.
In any case, your Expressing apreciation for a friend makes you honor, I would do it myself.
Hope, however, that in the future the author of a treaty on P11 can win the Pulitzer Prize or, why not, the Nobel Prize for literature.
I will gladly buy this book because i never stop learning about mechanics.
But, someone also should never stop to learn about etiquette.
Ciao
Piero
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