speirmoor
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Thats going to take a while I guessThey can't ship anything until its homologated.
Thats going to take a while I guessThey can't ship anything until its homologated.
and they will need a few of the 200 as test bikes as wellThats going to take a while I guess
Plan on 3 years. The same time it took them to announce the 961 that was already a motorcycle made by Dreer and sold by Garner.Thats going to take a while I guess
Ducati and Mv make similar bikes (and also more expensive) with the same or better components.Hey Guys , just wondering if the economies of scale are such that they can't make or sell it for less ? What would they have to do to knock that price down ? Start with an aluminum gas tank not CF and go to Showa and Nissin for brakes / suspension . Get cheaper mag wheels from whoever etc.. How much is that engine and frame costing them to make ??? Cut out all of the polishing and make it satin finish bare bones so to speak. Offer the upmarket version with all the expensive stuff for those willing to pay for it. Can they make it for $30K out the door. ?
Hi Voodooo , I read that you sold your Harley . What will you take your long trip on now ?Ducati and Mv make similar bikes (and also more expensive) with the same or better components.
Both the Ducati street fighter and MV Brutale make more power, have equal or better components and cost $20k usd less.
Lately I haven’t had time for any trips. I’m so far behind with business it’s consuming all my time and putting me behind on other life and personal projects.Hi Voodooo , I read that you sold your Harley . What will you take your long trip on now ?
But they aren't Nortons...Ducati and Mv make similar bikes (and also more expensive) with the same or better components.
Both the Ducati street fighter and MV Brutale make more power, have equal or better components and cost $20k usd less.
Either is TVSBut they aren't Nortons...
Ummmmm, no. They bought the rights to the name, and that's the name that appears on all the NORTONS they build. Totally legit.Either is TVS
They were also around £20k cheaperOnly 200 to be made is an exclusive club. Just as exclusive as the Dominator SS and they had no problem selling them
Well the 961 is exclusive as well if you look at how many are actually here in the USAOnly 200 to be made is an exclusive club. Just as exclusive as the Dominator SS and they had no problem selling them
But wait!Ummmmm, no. They bought the rights to the name, and that's the name that appears on all the NORTONS they build. Totally legit.
And 8,497 times better than any gardner.
Let's see what gets printed on the titles as "manufacturer". There is only ONE WAY for it to say "Norton", and that is if it it is indeed a Norton.
Your opinion is just that, not based in facts.
Facts are whether we like it or not, Garner sold more Nortons than TVS have, and 18 months time will still have sold more than TVS Norton. Profit at Norton as it stands will never happen, they have just posted a £29m loss according the the The Times, couple this with the £14m for the previous 12 months and the money they initially invested is not confidence inspring that anyone at Solihull knows what they are doing or where they are going. It is just not me than can do the sums and work out that 8,000 bikes a year will not make a dent in the annual losses let alone recover what they have invested so far, if I can work that so can their shareholders. Considering that Norton still don't have any hint of a plan for the US market, then I suggest the 12-18 month timescale you suggest is not long enough. For premium products the US is the market to crack and as it stands Norton seem to be well and truly disregarding what could be their best selling area for their products - the mind boggles as to why, it could help put a dent in their losses. Considering everything they aim for at the moment is in the small UK market, then I don't hold out much hope despite the wealth of the Parent group. 12-18 months should be more like 5-7 years. If sales of whatever models, current and future, in the UK market flop then I see a different ending to this discussion in the future and it won't be a rosy one.Ah V2D3, are you blatantly Norton bashing again - on a Norton enthusiasts forum? Personally, I don’t see the point.
Still measuring success around sales in a country (US) where they are yet to be marketed. Still relating TVS Norton to Garner Norton! Still measuring potential success around racing, when it is not viable, advisable or even appropriate for a fledgling business. And on ……….!
The V4 is expensive. I suspect mainly because it is a low volume, high spec, hand built (non automated) machine. No economies of scale, no automation, no offset to a huge range of like machines. Just look at the quality of the frame, which is hand made in-house. I strongly suspect that they could not market the V4 at a much lower price if they are to make an acceptable profit.
Those who want an exclusive (200 only) offering that just happens to be produced by the most renowned British motorcycle manufacturer in history may be happy to pay the asking price. Absolutely no-one buying one of these machines has race winning prowess in mind, beyond an historical context.
Let’s come back to this discussion in 12-18 months. If they have sold the lot Voodoo, I have absolutely no doubt that you will still find a negative to focus upon.
People get negative when they CARE !Ah V2D3, are you blatantly Norton bashing again - on a Norton enthusiasts forum? Personally, I don’t see the point.
Still measuring success around sales in a country (US) where they are yet to be marketed. Still relating TVS Norton to Garner Norton! Still measuring potential success around racing, when it is not viable, advisable or even appropriate for a fledgling business. And on ……….!
The V4 is expensive. I suspect mainly because it is a low volume, high spec, hand built (non automated) machine. No economies of scale, no automation, no offset to a huge range of like machines. Just look at the quality of the frame, which is hand made in-house. I strongly suspect that they could not market the V4 at a much lower price if they are to make an acceptable profit.
Those who want an exclusive (200 only) offering that just happens to be produced by the most renowned British motorcycle manufacturer in history may be happy to pay the asking price. Absolutely no-one buying one of these machines has race winning prowess in mind, beyond an historical context.
Let’s come back to this discussion in 12-18 months. If they have sold the lot Voodoo, I have absolutely no doubt that you will still find a negative to focus upon.
SSAh V2D3, are you blatantly Norton bashing again - on a Norton enthusiasts forum? Personally, I don’t see the point.
Still measuring success around sales in a country (US) where they are yet to be marketed. Still relating TVS Norton to Garner Norton! Still measuring potential success around racing, when it is not viable, advisable or even appropriate for a fledgling business. And on ……….!
The V4 is expensive. I suspect mainly because it is a low volume, high spec, hand built (non automated) machine. No economies of scale, no automation, no offset to a huge range of like machines. Just look at the quality of the frame, which is hand made in-house. I strongly suspect that they could not market the V4 at a much lower price if they are to make an acceptable profit.
Those who want an exclusive (200 only) offering that just happens to be produced by the most renowned British motorcycle manufacturer in history may be happy to pay the asking price. Absolutely no-one buying one of these machines has race winning prowess in mind, beyond an historical context.
Let’s come back to this discussion in 12-18 months. If they have sold the lot Voodoo, I have absolutely no doubt that you will still find a negative to focus upon.