US EPA Shot Across the Bow

I just hope the next administration starts dialing government over-reach back and eliminating gestapo departments.
 
And so they should. In my opinion, any performance enhancement device manufacturers should be required to demonstrate that their devices don't make the vehicle's emissions any worse than they were certified at by the original manufacturer.
 
frankdamp said:
And so they should. In my opinion, any performance enhancement device manufacturers should be required to demonstrate that their devices don't make the vehicle's emissions any worse than they were certified at by the original manufacturer.


Then the bike would run no better after your tune then beforehand because the stock settings are way to lean for the bike to perform anywhere near correctly. Starting, idling, surging, and flat spots not to mention poor HP and torque will result!
 
frankdamp said:
And so they should. In my opinion, any performance enhancement device manufacturers should be required to demonstrate that their devices don't make the vehicle's emissions any worse than they were certified at by the original manufacturer.


Then the bike would run no better after your tune then beforehand because the stock settings are way to lean for the bike to perform anywhere near correctly. Starting, idling, surging, and flat spots not to mention poor HP and torque will result!
 
As long as you don't run over any people, or cause anyone to get sick from the emissions, or harm anyone's hearing, or otherwise physically damage anyone else's property, you should be allowed to ride whatever the *&^%$# you want to ride.
 
BPHORSEGUY said:
frankdamp said:
And so they should. In my opinion, any performance enhancement device manufacturers should be required to demonstrate that their devices don't make the vehicle's emissions any worse than they were certified at by the original manufacturer.


Then the bike would run no better after your tune then beforehand because the stock settings are way to lean for the bike to perform anywhere near correctly. Starting, idling, surging, and flat spots not to mention poor HP and torque will result!

As a motorcyclist, I agree with you.

However, environmentalists and politicians won't be very phased by that argument (sadly). They will simply say "Then the manufacturers should design a better product. Environmental policy cannot be dictated by poor design / manufacturing".

Logically, frankdamp is right, there is little point in manufacturers being held strictly accountable for the products they sell... then allowing them to sell modifications that undo the very criteria they were mean to meet in the first place.

Yes, we like open pipes an rich mixtures and high octane fossil fuel... but not everyone does.
 
Open pipes just make louder sounds. I don't think they would affect emissions, which are created in the combustion chamber. The motorcycle manufacturers should spend research time to get the emissions within limits while getting the best performance. Unfortunately the UK industry of the late 1960's didn't have the money to do that. I was hired by N-V specifically to use my test instrumentation experience at British Aerospace (as an apprentice) and at a machine tools company in Coventry, to build a mobile instrumentation lab for the Commando and subsequent programs.

When I actually went to work at N-V, I discovered that the funding that had been set aside for the project had been spent with the PR outfit that dreamed up the "Green Globe" logo. That got canned shortly after the uproar that deleting the "Norton" logo brought down on their heads, wasting the $30K (approx.) that N-V had paid for it. I ended up as one of the test riders on the Commando program and subsequently on the AJS Stormer. All the development effort was based on rider opinion, no recorded engineering data.

It was so crude a method, with no chance of getting the idea back on the table and funded, I accepted a Boeing job offer and emigrated. Later, it felt like I'd stepped off a sinking ship onto a rescue boat without getting my feet wet. We're still in Washington State, enjoying retirement after 28 years with Boeing.
 
Yes. Open pipes just make loud noise, but decatting them adds to the carbon footprint. Also....unfortunately....noise is considered pollution too. Let's not forget about the ignition wires. Copper core apparently causes interference with peoples precious cell phone and digital TV reception which is why they have to be synthetic EPA approved too. (according to a reliable source that most of us know in the states and shall remain nameless) Another form of pollution. Nice that we currently have the choice to make our bikes "track only" ready, but if every bike owner decatted their pipes, many don't, it would have an environmental impact. Guess I'm just selfish. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
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