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About Jimmy Guthrie and Der Fuhrer - this video might interest you. I found it very sad :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8bxqBEHE8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8bxqBEHE8A
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Alan thanx for pointing this history to us. I had to learn some scientific German for what I thought was going to be my career after watching Jeckle-Hyde movies. I am decades long forced student on mean details of history of politics so have mixed opinion of Third Reich leaders, sick as of em as anyone but the popular history only starts with Germany reaction to banksters attacking Germany trade when Germany began trading outside the City of London and WallStreet dollar gangs. So the stigma put on rather intelligent Seaman was from ongoing posioning years before Germany mobilized for war. Tough freaking times that produced what is known in America as "The Greatest Generation" raised in deep depression for a decade then shot up as Govt Issue units for 5 more years then tossed back into shutting down war machine so many become wandering cowboys on two wheels. Rather worse of course around the actual battled nations. I grew up watching these for the crashes and always wondered if I had it in me to stand it and be competitive. i got hints of it on boats and the P!! but felt more lucky than good till I landed so so many times and still do on THE Gravel so think I could stand it and not get lapped.
The 'old days' in B.I. hey day was also filled with 2smokes here that thank goodness fell out of favor. I've been risking last couple years w/o tire repair kit but have been rescued by Wes with even air pump hidden on his sleek '71 HyRyder tiny tanker. Wes had bend one iron 90 for 1/2" which allowed levering away from center to install which some brakes can block full swing. Generally if I don't carry tools I need them and when I don't I do. I think I mentioned some Gravel around here, I tend to pack a set of levers on all my 3 cycles and usually not injured enough to prevent replacing to carry on. This is a ridiculous hobby and should be outlawed with racing too.
The 'old days' in B.I. hey day was also filled with 2smokes here that thank goodness fell out of favor. I've been risking last couple years w/o tire repair kit but have been rescued by Wes with even air pump hidden on his sleek '71 HyRyder tiny tanker. Wes had bend one iron 90 for 1/2" which allowed levering away from center to install which some brakes can block full swing. Generally if I don't carry tools I need them and when I don't I do. I think I mentioned some Gravel around here, I tend to pack a set of levers on all my 3 cycles and usually not injured enough to prevent replacing to carry on. This is a ridiculous hobby and should be outlawed with racing too.
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Who can remember cuban heels,they looked the biz but a big single soon sheared off the heel when the bike kicked back.
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three to four belstaff belts joined together,used as tow rope to get you home with a dead motor.
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picking up a bird on the bike and following day finding rubber heel marks on the chrome meggas.
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Red hermatite joining compound,years latter emptying my mother house and the stains still there on the yard flood(memories)
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Turbo visors good idea untill you turned your head to look behind then whooosh it was gone.
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Jukeboxes,where certain songs would get the boot by tilting the jukebox especially the shangrilas and twinkle,
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Ice blue jeans,they looked great until the second week of the TT.
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picking up a bird and describing her to your mates as perfect passenger,(short,slim,blond,plasterd in make up and wearing a leather jacket)
Who can remember cuban heels,they looked the biz but a big single soon sheared off the heel when the bike kicked back.
2
three to four belstaff belts joined together,used as tow rope to get you home with a dead motor.
3
picking up a bird on the bike and following day finding rubber heel marks on the chrome meggas.
4
Red hermatite joining compound,years latter emptying my mother house and the stains still there on the yard flood(memories)
5
Turbo visors good idea untill you turned your head to look behind then whooosh it was gone.
6
Jukeboxes,where certain songs would get the boot by tilting the jukebox especially the shangrilas and twinkle,
7
Ice blue jeans,they looked great until the second week of the TT.
8
picking up a bird and describing her to your mates as perfect passenger,(short,slim,blond,plasterd in make up and wearing a leather jacket)
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I've always believed that 'authoritarianism stifles creativity'. However the German Silver Arrow cars really put the lie to that theory. I've often wondered why the Brits did not copy the fuel injection system on the Messerschmidts - they must have captured a few.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsS0cvTxU-8
Check out the jackets on these boys. Pure seventies.
Check out the jackets on these boys. Pure seventies.
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Turbo Visors
They were advertised by Jim Redman,he was a multi world champion,from Rhodesia,but British born,
Jim put Honda on the world championship trail,he was quite handy on a Manx Norton,he got his chance
to ride works Hondas after Tom phillis was killed at the TT in 1962.
The Turbo Visors were very popular with Grass tracking Car racers,as they drove with no glass fitted and
worked very well for them,but as for bike riding they were noisey and not very trendy(well that statement
feels dated)but they did not fall apart,just the strap was not strong enough when the head turned to look
behind,the noise was from the outer edge of the visor spinning at sound barrier speed.
They were advertised by Jim Redman,he was a multi world champion,from Rhodesia,but British born,
Jim put Honda on the world championship trail,he was quite handy on a Manx Norton,he got his chance
to ride works Hondas after Tom phillis was killed at the TT in 1962.
The Turbo Visors were very popular with Grass tracking Car racers,as they drove with no glass fitted and
worked very well for them,but as for bike riding they were noisey and not very trendy(well that statement
feels dated)but they did not fall apart,just the strap was not strong enough when the head turned to look
behind,the noise was from the outer edge of the visor spinning at sound barrier speed.
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The brits did try fuel injection but it found the gain as negligable.the german systems were very crude and was not much gain in power,once the carburetors were sorted during negative G ,the carburetors worked very well.the Germans had to build bigger engines than the Allies to get the same power,fuel injection was ok on diesels but still very crude.also the germans did not have access high grade av- gas,and don't forget the fuel injection did not work well until the 1970's on the Mercs.
The brits found two stage supercharging to be easier to work on and to cure missfires and poor running also an aircraft the engine could be made leaner during the flight to make the fuel run longer and so easier to fine tune,in flght.
And lastly the germans used diesel engines on some aeroplanes,the fuel injection system needed ECU mapping,and inlet,and exhaust sensors to really work properly on petrol/
and diesel engines.
A little known fact that the first ME 109,used a Rolls Royce kestrel engine,then later the Spanish put in Merlin engines in their ME109'sand Heinkel 111 after the WW2,and Rolls Royce used Swiss Scitntilla magnetos for their V12 engines. another unknown fact was the Bailey bridge designer named Bailey was sent a xmas card from Adolf hitler,it was post marked through switserland strange eh!!These people delt with both sides they must have made a lot of money .
The brits found two stage supercharging to be easier to work on and to cure missfires and poor running also an aircraft the engine could be made leaner during the flight to make the fuel run longer and so easier to fine tune,in flght.
And lastly the germans used diesel engines on some aeroplanes,the fuel injection system needed ECU mapping,and inlet,and exhaust sensors to really work properly on petrol/
and diesel engines.
A little known fact that the first ME 109,used a Rolls Royce kestrel engine,then later the Spanish put in Merlin engines in their ME109'sand Heinkel 111 after the WW2,and Rolls Royce used Swiss Scitntilla magnetos for their V12 engines. another unknown fact was the Bailey bridge designer named Bailey was sent a xmas card from Adolf hitler,it was post marked through switserland strange eh!!These people delt with both sides they must have made a lot of money .
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peter james owen said:
I watched both Phillis and Redman on Honda fours together in a race at Calder Raceway in Melbourne, must have been in 1961. I also watched Phillis trounce all the A graders at Phillip Island with a manx in 1961, shortly before he returned to Europe and was killed. There is something wrong with the sport when the top guys get killed. It doesn't happen much these days.
Going on holiday to Torquay, sleeping on the ground outside the Bath Fire Station, waiting for the bike shop to open in the morning.
I don't recall any bike I bought in the 60's having an electric start. Sophistication was not having a bungee cord holding up the kickstarter.
My 2 stroke bastard, as in bits of many Italian bikes, FS (Frequently Seized) wouldn't start on the pedal, only with a bump start. This could be interesting loaded with washing n' stuff on the way home from uni, often performed on garage forecourts, to the alarm or amusement of onlookers.
The thing would only do 55 to the tank - I'd fitted a Wal Phillips "fuel injector" to try and stop it seizing. Eventually found running it on castor did the trick. That meant another thing to carry, the mixing can.
I don't recall any bike I bought in the 60's having an electric start. Sophistication was not having a bungee cord holding up the kickstarter.
My 2 stroke bastard, as in bits of many Italian bikes, FS (Frequently Seized) wouldn't start on the pedal, only with a bump start. This could be interesting loaded with washing n' stuff on the way home from uni, often performed on garage forecourts, to the alarm or amusement of onlookers.
The thing would only do 55 to the tank - I'd fitted a Wal Phillips "fuel injector" to try and stop it seizing. Eventually found running it on castor did the trick. That meant another thing to carry, the mixing can.
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Well mention of the Wal phillips fuel injector brings back memories,Barry a mate of mine bought a pair for his bonnie,and fitted them as per instructions but what ever he tried the bike just did not run right,It was a funny instruction sheet that said turn this and turn that and at the bottom of the page it said if all this does not work turn them up side down,guess what !! that did not work either.
In desperation we rode down to the smoke(London)near wembley as we later went to the ACE cafe and Wal Hummed and went straight to the Bonnie and tweaked a screw here and there and she ran great we were shocked it only took two minutes then off we went.
The biggest problem was Cold starting and making sure the petrol taps were turned off just as you stopped,they were too much trouble for Barry and then took them off and graced a shelf on the Garage wall.
In desperation we rode down to the smoke(London)near wembley as we later went to the ACE cafe and Wal Hummed and went straight to the Bonnie and tweaked a screw here and there and she ran great we were shocked it only took two minutes then off we went.
The biggest problem was Cold starting and making sure the petrol taps were turned off just as you stopped,they were too much trouble for Barry and then took them off and graced a shelf on the Garage wall.
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Great posts..makes a change to have a laugh...those Turbo visors ..imgin one on a R1 at 170..."Mary did yo see that guys head fly off"? and remember Mods and rockers.
White sea boot socks turned over the Hailwood boots..boy did we look the boys! My mate had about 2lb of studs in his jacket..and his bird had a mini skirt.... bit wider than a belt! white knickers calm down John!!!
White sea boot socks turned over the Hailwood boots..boy did we look the boys! My mate had about 2lb of studs in his jacket..and his bird had a mini skirt.... bit wider than a belt! white knickers calm down John!!!
john robert bould said:Great posts..makes a change to have a laugh...those Turbo visors ..imgin one on a R1 at 170..."Mary did yo see that guys head fly off"? and remember Mods and rockers.
White sea boot socks turned over the Hailwood boots..boy did we look the boys! My mate had about 2lb of studs in his jacket..and his bird had a mini skirt.... bit wider than a belt! white knickers calm down John!!!
Re; “White sea boot socks turned over the Hailwood boots.”
On a recent British TV program about rockers, there was a comment that some of the rockers back in the day didn’t have the money for m/cycle boots, so used wellingtons with the top turned downwards, some also used(from an ex government surplus store) German tank leather over coats as these were cheaper.
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We had a lot of Army Navy stores that sold Don R Boots these were heavy Ammo type boots with hob nails and metal heals that laced up the shin then a leather flap with strap buckles on the top,Boy did they shower sparks when "earoling" round corners at night.
Sea boot socks again from the army navy stores,a mate had one white one and one gray permanently when asked down the caff why this was, he said he had a leak on his pre unit ton ten where the Dynamo fits on behind the timing cover.
The best boots were AFS firemans boots these actually looked like bike boots they had two loops to pull them on they looked like jerry jack boots,other stuff we bought were MK 8 Flying goggles,honestly these I found to be crap, especially the elastic straps ,so found what looked like octopus goggles but were jerry flyng goggles these were very good,another purchase was silk scarves,and the best gloves that were Don R gauntlets but we cut off the gauntlet bit off,these were brilliant, soft thick leather gloves ,tan in colour.
Boy did we look the great !!.Until it rained the boots filled with water,the goggles steamed up then flopped down to the chin,the gloves were a soggy mess,the studs made the leather jacket twice as heavy when wet. Boy did we look shit compared to our continental brothers at the TT.Quite enbarassing,some of us did a bike raly in Luxemburg in 1969 I think,tent few spare clothes and £50,(that was all the money you could take abroad in them days) what a revelation it was to see how other countries bikers behaved and dressed,We stood out like a sore thumb from GB all dressed as rockers they gave us a lot of space and were nervous of us until we were pissed on their weak beer.they realised we were quite normal,they had read the stories of the Mods and Rockers fights in the papers.
I found out one mate who really looked like the typical Rocker used to have a scooter !!,his mum slipped that one out in front of a lot of mates,poor Bill cringed and said OH no Mum!!.too late we all heard it HA HA.he did not live that one out for quite a while.
Sea boot socks again from the army navy stores,a mate had one white one and one gray permanently when asked down the caff why this was, he said he had a leak on his pre unit ton ten where the Dynamo fits on behind the timing cover.
The best boots were AFS firemans boots these actually looked like bike boots they had two loops to pull them on they looked like jerry jack boots,other stuff we bought were MK 8 Flying goggles,honestly these I found to be crap, especially the elastic straps ,so found what looked like octopus goggles but were jerry flyng goggles these were very good,another purchase was silk scarves,and the best gloves that were Don R gauntlets but we cut off the gauntlet bit off,these were brilliant, soft thick leather gloves ,tan in colour.
Boy did we look the great !!.Until it rained the boots filled with water,the goggles steamed up then flopped down to the chin,the gloves were a soggy mess,the studs made the leather jacket twice as heavy when wet. Boy did we look shit compared to our continental brothers at the TT.Quite enbarassing,some of us did a bike raly in Luxemburg in 1969 I think,tent few spare clothes and £50,(that was all the money you could take abroad in them days) what a revelation it was to see how other countries bikers behaved and dressed,We stood out like a sore thumb from GB all dressed as rockers they gave us a lot of space and were nervous of us until we were pissed on their weak beer.they realised we were quite normal,they had read the stories of the Mods and Rockers fights in the papers.
I found out one mate who really looked like the typical Rocker used to have a scooter !!,his mum slipped that one out in front of a lot of mates,poor Bill cringed and said OH no Mum!!.too late we all heard it HA HA.he did not live that one out for quite a while.
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hobot said:
Standard MX wear also plus you got a vast array of colourful fold overs.
http://www.worldrugbyshop.com/departments-socks.html
Klim make excellent socks (Mammoth) also but in limited colours.
My TrialMaster suit is well over 30 years old.
http://wax-wane.com/2012/07/09/barbour- ... to-jacket/
Tally ho.
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