The new shop/hangar is taking shape...

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I intend to cable brace.
Not recommended due to lack of stiffness and cables stretching. Rolled steel brace members should be preferred, e.g., hollow sections. If you'd like to pretension braces, this can be achieved by using tubes and a threaded sleeve at one end. Otherwise, use front plates and shims (i.e., create a flange) at one end to achieve a perfect fit.

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While I’ve got no suggestions on how to build , I might on security ... our second house was a 100+yr old Victorian 2 1/2 storey which we renovated top to bottom , we were downtown 6’ from sidewalk then street ... lots of foot traffic and vehicles .... I fenced backyard as our kids came along so they could play outside ... then I got 2 English Bull Terrier pups to guard house and kids, dogs stayed with children at all times ... one late at night Halloween dogs started going crazy , downstairs I went down in underwear , opened back door and dogs shot out to corner a thief under our back steps , the law shows up unbidden with drawn weapons yelling at me to call off the dogs ! .... well the guy under doorstep got arrested he had garbage bag of stolen stuff from cars , took me 3 months to get my ray-bans back ... still laugh ‘bout that night ! ..... moral is , get a couple of trainable dogs
 

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Please allow some loud thinking... Just an idea.
Yes, all things are in consideration including two simple roll-up canvas curtains.

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Rolled steel brace members should be preferred, e.g., hollow sections
Would possibly use welded-in-place steel [ purlins, as I may have some spare to basic structure. Interior walls have additional pipe columns at corners, so the completre framework should be fairly rigid...
 
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Would possibly use welded-in-place steel [ purlins, as I may have some spare to basic structure. Interior walls have additional pipe columns at corners, so the completre framework should be fairly rigid...
Your wall structures are made of wood I guess, possibly OSB. The problem with using wood in a steel building is the low shear modulus of wood, just 2300 MPa vs. 73000 MPa for steel. These panels will not prevent shear deformation of the wall (as encountered during strong winds). Another concern is fire safety. If you want a stiff wall plate, I suggest using steel sandwich elements. You then get insulation and a non-burning surface for free.
If this is not possible, you need to brace in-line using steel members in W style. Purlin (member sections) may be used if you cross-brace. In effect. you need to take advantage of the Phytagoras rule!

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Your wall structures are made of wood I guess...
Nope, all steel everywhere. Galvanized R panels for sheathing, on 4” [ purlin framework, 6” frames around doors.

4” schedule 40 iron pipe for the corner columns, 2-7/8” for the interior corners.

double (welded box) 10” [ purlins for the clear span front opening with 10’x10” angled kickers, 6” [ purlins side to side at the back and in the middle, welded on top of the pipe columns.

4” [ purlins side to side, spaced at 5’ oc to screw the roof sheets into

light angle base, the 4” [ purlins horizontally at 7’ aff that the wall sheets are screwed to, as well as screwed to the top.

the 10’ overhang at the back is supported by (4) 1-1/2” pipe columns set in concrete, 6” purlins are welded to the pipe, as is the end top 4” [ purlin (4 pipes at intersections of 4 secondary roof purlins.

This building, made from new and used materials now living their 4th iteration, is better-built and stronger the the previous 3 iterations.
 

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Are you amenable for a visit?

I am guessing you are near my route to SA. I could swing by on one of my visits to step daughter in SA.

Slick
 

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The guys ALMOST finished the wall construction yesterday; they WILL be done today.

Front is done, kinda hate that the previously used materials look so sorry, but they should clean up nicely with my power washer and a long brush.You can finally perceive the spot for the ultralight...



I took a good while to sort the first garage door, they removed all the hinges instead of only one side, and I never installed these myself since the first time I had them on the previous 2 iterations. Oh, yes, add to that the fact that the welder spaced the rails incorrectly and I had to wait half an hour for him to re-orient them. Today he'll fix the second frame and I'll finish both (still need to install the springs and cables that equalize the weight of the doors).

 

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Progress is always nice , sorry there was waiting involved ...
 

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Well, never mind all the blah, blah...

I for one am envious as shit !

Well done GP, I’m looking forward to my invite to the AN members party at your new palace when all this virus shit has died down !!
 

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Looking good GP, and yes, I'm envious too.
Those panels should clean up fine.
Looking forward to the next report.
 
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I’m thinking some tasteful murals done with a certain Brit Bike Theme would look really cool on those nice straight exterior wall panels ......
 
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I’m thinking some tasteful murals done with a certain Brit Bike Theme would look really cool on those nice straight exterior wall panels ......
In theory, in practice that's unnecessary advertising the contents.

I cringe when I see people with trailers adorned with the brands of what's in the trailers. Make it easier to shop for the thieves.
 

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guess you do have a valid point there Dave , hard for me to remember that elsewhere is not necessarily similar to where I live , around here most stuff under lock and key is considered safe .... our cities are much different though ... sorry for lame suggestion GP ...
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How vulnerable is your region wrt. tornados? This is a light build ....

All the best,
Knut
I assume you're not terribly familiar with tornados? It's not practical for most people to build buildings to withstand tornadoes.
 
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guess you do have a valid point there Dave , hard for me to remember that elsewhere is not necessarily similar to where I live , around here most stuff under lock and key is considered safe .... our cities are much different though ... sorry for lame suggestion GP ...
Craig
Not to say the interior walls might look good with some decoration!
 
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the joke in some places in the US is that locks are to keep the honest people honest.

guess you do have a valid point there Dave , hard for me to remember that elsewhere is not necessarily similar to where I live , around here most stuff under lock and key is considered safe .... our cities are much different though ... sorry for lame suggestion GP ...
Craig
 

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Tell you what though... it’s seriously impressive the lengths that some folk will go to for toilet roll storage...
 
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