The Head is STUCK on. How to remove??!

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Well I was on my way home, an the clutch cable broke.
I pushed it home and figured it was a good time to do the head gasket that has been leaking.

So, for the last few hours I've been removing everything to access the head.
Got the 9 nuts/bolts off, and pulled up on it. Nothing. Smacked it with a mallet, and used a prybar until the cooling fins started to bend. What the hell is holding it on still??? How would you treat this situation?

Thanks guys!
 
There are 10 fasteners holding it together, you are probably missing the bolt at the front of the head attached from the top, placed centrally between the two nuts but closer to the centre of the head, you will need a socket and an extension to get to it, the other posibility is the nut at the rear under the cylinder head beneath the carburettors. Dont try to pry them apart with a crowbar the fins are quite brittle.
 
Also, I hope you have a manual. The manual shows a diagram of the head and there is an order to follow taking off and replacing the bolts. The maunual is very helpful. Did I mention you should have a manual? :wink:
 
I have a haynes manual. And the reason I had trouble with this job is that manual states "there are 9 fastners holding the cylinder head on 750cc models and 10 for the 850cc models."

Stupid haynes.

SO, I was able to free it after you replied Dave, thanks.
But I have fiddled with it for 10mins to get the pushrods up in the head and free it from the frame- to no avail. It seems to want to lean towards the front wheel, not the back like I've read. Any more good advise would be greatly appreciated!
 
The Head is STUCK on. How to remove??!


Are you able to lean it back like this? What's preventing it? Maybe a 2nd set of hands would help?
 
Got it.
Followed this great tip, worked first try. From Capn's notes vol. 3


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This problem of installing Norton heads arises because Nortons have their pushrod tunnels permanently cast into the cylinder barrels rather than using the vast array of little tin tubes, rubber washers, etc., found leaking onto older engine designs (the names of which modesty prevents me from mentioning). The Norton design was a major improvement in oil-tightness, but it makes getting the head off and on with the engine in the frame very tricky indeed if you do it the way the book says, because you're supposed to lift all four pushrods as high as possible into the head and hold them there while you lift the head out of the frame, or you won't have enough clearance to get it out. Six hands are the practical minimum for this job, and most Brit-bikers have only two.

The answer is to use a pair of nylon tie wraps (the kind used on electrical harnesses, etc.) As soon as the head is lifted free from the gasket, put one tie wrap around each pair of pushrods, fastening it so the long end of the tie wrap poinst out away from the barrel. Snug them up tight enough so that it's a bit difficult to move them up and down on the pushrods.

Now, as you remove the head, push the tie wrap down all the way on each pair of pushrods, then put a finger from each hand under the tie wrap on the pushrods to hold it up (and its pair of pushrods) as you're lifting the head free of the engine. Holding each pair of pushrods this way leaves you eight fingers to lift the head out of the frame. it will be easy to keep the pushrods snug against the head and you'll clear the frame with no danger of bending a pushrod, and no extra hands needed.

After the head is off, keep the tie wraps on the pushrods (unless you need to service them, of course), so you can tell the left pair from the right pair by the direction that the end of the tie wrap is pointing. To reinstall the head, just hold the pushrods high up in the head with a finger on the tie wrap as you did before while lifting the head loosely onto the barrel. Once the head is past the frame and over the barrel, with the pushrods in their tunnels, you don't need the tie wraps anymore, so snip each one off while HOLDING the long end, to be SURE no nylon bit falls into the engine.

Note that the only purpose of this trick is to keep the pushrods out of harm's way during removal and installation of the head. During installation, you still have to follow the book and be sure the pushrods are properly located on their rocker-arms before tightening down the head bolts, or a pushrod could be bent.

If, like the writer above, you've already taken the head off by the traditional blood & chaos method, you can still put it back on with the tie-wrap method (First make sure the pushrods damaged during removal have been replaced and all skin lacerations have stopped oozing, which could cause rust). You simply have to put a tie wrap on each pair of pushrods, aiming the end of the tie wrap toward the outside of each pair so you'll be able to tell the left from right. (If you've mixed them up already, you'll survive, but it's better practice not to interchange pairs).

I invented this trick many years ago, and used it last October on my ring-job with no problem, even though I was out of practice. Easier head installation is probably the only good thing that can be said about separate pushrod tubes of the earlier engine designs -- this trick makes Norton head removal & installation almost as easy, without giving up the oil-tightness and durability of cast-in pushrod tunnels.
 
nidyanazo said:
I have a haynes manual. And the reason I had trouble with this job is that manual states "there are 9 fastners holding the cylinder head on 750cc models and 10 for the 850cc models."


I can't seem to find that in my copy of the Haynes manual? Which page/section is it in?
 
I also find it easier if I completely slacken off the tappet adjusters, which allows the push rods to go into the head a critical few mm more.
 
I've not used the zip tie trick before, but i have used rubber bands when installing the head. I wrap them around the pushrods and pull the rubber band up to the exhaust rocker stud. It keeps enough tension on the rods so i can push them up into the head as far as i can and not have them fall down. Then i just snip the rubber bands when i have the head set down and pull em out.

I think a combination of using the zip ties on removal and rubber bands on installation would make things much simpler and avoid the frustration.
 
Even easier: cut two pieces of cloth from an old t-shirt, and stuff them into the pushrod tunnels, with the tails sticking out. If you stuff enough cloth in there, everything wedges in place and there is no need to fiddle with holding anything in place.

Just before you seat the head on the gasket, you pull the two strips out of there.
 
I did what GP did, the last time I pulled my head - worked like a champ, except I used shop rags.
 
dammit man ! thats JUST not the way to do it!!
it's old tshirts or' nothing ! ccchheezzz - shop rags... does it even RUN now ?
 
head removal and replacement

If this is your first time replacing the head, don't forget after a few hundred miles to retorque the 10 fasteners as the head gasket compresses. If you don't do this you will end up with a blown head gasket and have to replace it all over again. Keep checking and retorquing until it it doesn't need it.
 
Is it okay to reuse the fastners? I know in the ford 302 motor I build, they were torque to yield, and needed to be replaced...
 
It is OK to reuse the fasteners, the only one-use fasteners that I am aware of on Nortons are the con-rod nuts and probably the crankshaft nuts, bolts and studs, but in the latter case it is because they are mostly peened over to prevent loosening and therefore not suitable for reuse, not because they stretch. Con rods bolts can be reused if still within spec, but I generally replace these also, simply because they are relatively cheap and if the bottom end is in good shape it's a good starting point for a robust and serviceable engine.
 
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