Voodooo
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Stephen
Instead of mudding up peoples post and threads, I thought it would be more fitting for us to start our own thread.
Here is my response to you.
My dear love HippOptimus.
1) My guesstimating calculation would be 20 or so. (Can you prove me wrong? )
And I’m meaning in actual owners hands in the real world since the take over of TVS and their own “Cafe or Sport 961”.
Not the left overs or rebuilt Donington bikes.
2) Of the whole world of motorcyclists, let’s narrow it down to the motorcyclist who like classic looking, air cooled, push rod, modern retro type bikes. Of the millions who are in this category, only a very small handful are actually interested in the Norton.
And by very small, I mean VERY SMALL.
So small that if Norton only had the 961 to sell, they would be out of business today, they cannot make a profit on the 961 and stay in business with this bike. This is a fact.
I’ll bet a years worth of income on this.
Are you a gambling man?
All the others in this category that like modern retro styling and have and will continue to buy Triumphs, Harley’s, Royals, Ducatis, Mv, And all the Japanese retro styled bikes.
3) According to your optimistic views, the interest is already out there and enough interest is there for TVS to survive solely selling in the UK.
How did someone as small and poor as Garner get the 961 into the worlds hands, yet the giant TVS with deep pockets refuses to do so?
No reason why TVS can’t sell the Nortons through world dealerships of other shared brands. All major brands often sell through dealers that sell competitive brands.
Example: Triumph, BMW, MV, Zero, Indian, Harley all sell at the same dealership.
4) Garner.
The conman, the pension fraudsters that you helped out by buying his product. Yes Stephen, you helped a known criminal.
Yet you fail to help financially support TVS Norton.
You claim you want TVS Norton to succeed, but you disapprove of their pricing for such a premium product.
You fail to purchase parts and pay the asking prices set by TVS.
It seems to me, you do in fact see my point of why many people have no interest in buying something that cost more than its actual value and return. Meaning the 961.
I’ll give you yet another example.
Why pay £20-25k for a 961
When one can buy a Brand new Triumph Thruxton, which has way better performance, quality, and is also beautifully designed for less?
Kinda like why you don’t feel the need to pay $1200 for a Premium Norton seat.
Get my point?
You don’t see the seats value as TVS sees it. The same as why many motorcyclists don’t see the value in the 961.
No where did I ever say Norton had no intention of selling bikes. Show me where I ever said that.
I also never said they would never sell us parts. If you followed along, I said many many times over the course of 3 years that I could not get the spare parts.
I even mentioned that I finally gave up.
You on the other hand, were given the opportunity to get the parts you requested and you yourself decided it was too pricy. You made the decision to decline the items that you were asking of.
I at the time, wanted carbon fiber replacement parts. A new plate holder, chain guard, rear mud hugger, sprocket cover, rear sprocket, cush rubbers, etc. They asked me over and over for part numbers. Numbers I didn’t have access to.
When it was all finally somewhat resolved, TVS again made it clear they didn’t feel comfortable selling to a Donington made bike, even though the parts I was requesting were obviously left over stock from the purchase of Donington.
Instead of mudding up peoples post and threads, I thought it would be more fitting for us to start our own thread.
Here is my response to you.
My dear love HippOptimus.
1) My guesstimating calculation would be 20 or so. (Can you prove me wrong? )
And I’m meaning in actual owners hands in the real world since the take over of TVS and their own “Cafe or Sport 961”.
Not the left overs or rebuilt Donington bikes.
2) Of the whole world of motorcyclists, let’s narrow it down to the motorcyclist who like classic looking, air cooled, push rod, modern retro type bikes. Of the millions who are in this category, only a very small handful are actually interested in the Norton.
And by very small, I mean VERY SMALL.
So small that if Norton only had the 961 to sell, they would be out of business today, they cannot make a profit on the 961 and stay in business with this bike. This is a fact.
I’ll bet a years worth of income on this.
Are you a gambling man?
All the others in this category that like modern retro styling and have and will continue to buy Triumphs, Harley’s, Royals, Ducatis, Mv, And all the Japanese retro styled bikes.
3) According to your optimistic views, the interest is already out there and enough interest is there for TVS to survive solely selling in the UK.
How did someone as small and poor as Garner get the 961 into the worlds hands, yet the giant TVS with deep pockets refuses to do so?
No reason why TVS can’t sell the Nortons through world dealerships of other shared brands. All major brands often sell through dealers that sell competitive brands.
Example: Triumph, BMW, MV, Zero, Indian, Harley all sell at the same dealership.
4) Garner.
The conman, the pension fraudsters that you helped out by buying his product. Yes Stephen, you helped a known criminal.
Yet you fail to help financially support TVS Norton.
You claim you want TVS Norton to succeed, but you disapprove of their pricing for such a premium product.
You fail to purchase parts and pay the asking prices set by TVS.
It seems to me, you do in fact see my point of why many people have no interest in buying something that cost more than its actual value and return. Meaning the 961.
I’ll give you yet another example.
Why pay £20-25k for a 961
When one can buy a Brand new Triumph Thruxton, which has way better performance, quality, and is also beautifully designed for less?
Kinda like why you don’t feel the need to pay $1200 for a Premium Norton seat.
Get my point?
You don’t see the seats value as TVS sees it. The same as why many motorcyclists don’t see the value in the 961.
No where did I ever say Norton had no intention of selling bikes. Show me where I ever said that.
I also never said they would never sell us parts. If you followed along, I said many many times over the course of 3 years that I could not get the spare parts.
I even mentioned that I finally gave up.
You on the other hand, were given the opportunity to get the parts you requested and you yourself decided it was too pricy. You made the decision to decline the items that you were asking of.
I at the time, wanted carbon fiber replacement parts. A new plate holder, chain guard, rear mud hugger, sprocket cover, rear sprocket, cush rubbers, etc. They asked me over and over for part numbers. Numbers I didn’t have access to.
When it was all finally somewhat resolved, TVS again made it clear they didn’t feel comfortable selling to a Donington made bike, even though the parts I was requesting were obviously left over stock from the purchase of Donington.
