Spigotted head joined in flat cylinder

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Hi.
I have found my 1964 G15 top flat cylinder joined with a head for spigotted barrells (without the rings fitted); the gasket was copper of late type for flat cylinder.
I have to choises:
-to use the correct head for top flat cylinder (i need to buy it);
-to use the head for spigotted cylinder fitting the two aluminium rings (that i have).
What is your choise?.
Thank you.
Piero
 
That's NM25494 (no conversion number assigned). Listed by AN but currently out of stock.
According to David Comeau it's a steel ring. Were there different versions?
I've never seen one but i need some for my early cylinder heads as well.

-Knut
 
That's NM25494 (no conversion number assigned). Listed by AN but currently out of stock.
According to David Comeau it's a steel ring. Were there different versions?
I've never seen one but i need some for my early cylinder heads as well.

-Knut
 
Hi All.
I need to skim the top of the head to obtain it flat.
The question is if the two aluminium rings must be skimmed flat the same of the head or is better tath they protrude a little bit out to touch better against the flammed gasket?.
Thank you.
Piero
 
I have heard that not fitting the rings does not give any problem and the recess will in time just fill with carbon. The rings have been known to break up and cause piston problems.
 
Hi All.
I need to skim the top of the head to obtain it flat.
The question is if the two aluminium rings must be skimmed flat the same of the head or is better tath they protrude a little bit out to touch better against the flammed gasket?.
Thank you.
Piero

I would make them flat with the head. If you allow the rings to protrude, you may end up with an uneven clamp force.

Slick
 
The RGM ring thickness as quoted in the drawing, .116", will very likely not totally fill the head counter bore. I often measure .116 to .122 squish band. Some blue machinist dye and a surface plate will make it show.
My 63 atlas head ring was ferrous alloy/steel-iron? I am not claiming that is the original material, it could have been aluminum! More research needed.
I do however think the spigotless barresl are preferable since the spigot does NOT seal the surface, and the clever machining required around the top of the barrel to make the spigot seems suspect to its flatness and RMS and cutter finish.
 
I do think the spigotless barrels are preferable since the spigot does NOT seal the surface, and the clever machining required around the top of the barrel to make the spigot seems suspect to its flatness and RMS and cutter finish.

There is no reason to doubt the spigots were flat and maybe still are. The warping occurs in the cylinder head. I am not sure who introduced sealing by the spigot plus the head gasket, or if it was ever intended. It's almost an impossible feat to make two stepped surfaces exert the same seating pressure.

I believe the original idea was taken from the single racing engines. Those engines could be operated without a head gasket, just careful machining of the head to match the spigot, completed by lapping. This procedure was used on the Matchless G45 and the G80CS (and likely on the 7R/G50) and has the aadvantage of giving a very high area pressure with no risk of blowing a gasket, which could otherwise be a lethal weakness in engines having a high compression ratio.

For a production bike, this procedure is too labor intensive. AMC kept building bikes with spigots, however all roadsters had head gaskets, which indicates the factory eliminated effective sealing by the spigot, but retained the spigot for racing use.

This makes it clear that where a spigot and a copper gasket is present, clamping is NOT to take place at the spigot but rather outside of it, giving unique pressure onto the head gasket. It's all right to fit NM25494, but you have to make sure it doesn't compress.

Piero: Skimming for flatness need to be performed in the ring groove as well as on the outer surface. When fitting the conversion ring(s) with a vertical clearance, the gap will soon be filled with some carbon deposits and there is no need to worry about the clearance.

-Knut
 
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