Reverse shift pattern myth

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marinatlas said:
http://www.accessnorton.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=217312
So, back to the first post is that possible or not to do like this
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That is false information. You can't reverse the gear shift pattern by just placing the camplate spindle to the other side of the camplate. The ones who claim it is possible obviously didn't try this modification themselves :!:
 
nortonspeed said:
marinatlas said:
http://www.accessnorton.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=217312
So, back to the first post is that possible or not to do like this
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That is false information. You can't reverse the gear shift pattern by just placing the camplate spindle to the other side of the camplate. The ones who claim it is possible obviously didn't try this modification themselves :!:
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When I bought a Quaife 5 speed my recollection is that there was a choice of cam plates to give either pattern. I wonder if a reverse camplate is available for a standard box? It might save a lot of work.
 
040108R CAMPLATE - REVERSE ACTION - EXCHANGE - COMPLETE WITH SHAFT
above is from Norvil

I mentioned in an early post a few hrs ago about the Quaife 5 speed camplate being reversible
 
pommie john said:
nortonspeed said:
marinatlas said:
http://www.accessnorton.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=217312
So, back to the first post is that possible or not to do like this
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That is false information. You can't reverse the gear shift pattern by just placing the camplate spindle to the other side of the camplate. The ones who claim it is possible obviously didn't try this modification themselves :!:
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When I bought a Quaife 5 speed my recollection is that there was a choice of cam plates to give either pattern. I wonder if a reverse camplate is available for a standard box? It might save a lot of work.
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Pommie john you are right. Back in the eighties when I started classic racing Quaife supplied 2 camplates to give either shifting pattern however these days Quaife supplies just 1 camplate which has a double sided notch pattern to give either shifting pattern and only the position of the camplate spindle will determine the choice of pattern.
 
nortonspeed said:
I just finished reversing my 1 up 3 down shift pattern into 1 down 3 up pattern by modifying the original camplate. The only way to get there is to regrind the notch pattern (5 notches) into opposite side of the camplate (180 degrees rotation). Unlike what has been mentioned in earlier threads there is no easy way by just flipping over the camplate :arrow: reverse shifting requires the symmetrical slots in the camplate upside down (180 degree rotation). This way the existing notches will no longer face down to engage the camplate index plunger. So grinding 5 new notches into the opposite side is inevitable :!:
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Sounds like you did a neat bit of engineering, which is the main thing.
 
Triton Thrasher said:
Not a good law for Harley, or some Italian factories.
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I believe Harley big twins were left foot shift. Sportsters and Harley flat trackers were right foot shift.
 
baz said:
Sorry to keep on about this but were there really any deaths caused by riders using the gear lever as a brake??? If so how did investigators know it was the cause of death! Unless the dying rider said he accidentally braked using the gear lever!! Or there was an independent witness saying the rider used the gear lever to brake with?, Both scenarios seem unlikely to me ,does anybody know for sure?
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Anybody out there know ??
 
baz said:
Anybody out there know ??
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For bureaurocrats there doesn't need to be an actual problem, just the funds to pay someone to have too much time to sit and think up solutions to their perceived problems.
Cynical? Not me :twisted:
 
ntst8 said:
baz said:
Anybody out there know ??
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For bureaurocrats there doesn't need to be an actual problem, just the funds to pay someone to have too much time to sit and think up solutions to their perceived problems.
Cynical? Not me :twisted:
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I suppose it's similar to brand new right hand side cars being banned in the UK in 1981 I always wonder where these rules come from?
 
baz said:
ntst8 said:
baz said:
Anybody out there know ??
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For bureaurocrats there doesn't need to be an actual problem, just the funds to pay someone to have too much time to sit and think up solutions to their perceived problems.
Cynical? Not me :twisted:
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I suppose it's similar to brand new right hand side cars being banned in the UK in 1981 I always wonder where these rules come from?
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I think you have your handed-ness reversed but we know what you mean. I think right side drive cars are banned in the US after a certain date as well. I think these rules come from those in charge who are not real enthusiasts, real riders or drivers. They themselves know they are not bright enough (yes "bright enough" 1down) to be able to get it so naturally no one else could be either.
 
Biscuit said:
baz said:
I suppose it's similar to brand new right hand side cars being banned in the UK in 1981 I always wonder where these rules come from?
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I think you have your handed-ness reversed but we know what you mean. I think right side drive cars are banned in the US after a certain date as well. I think these rules come from those in charge who are not real enthusiasts, real riders or drivers. They themselves know they are not bright enough (yes "bright enough" 1down) to be able to get it so naturally no one else could be either.
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I think baz means right hand sidecars not right hand side CARS.

http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/rhsidecars.html
 
Biscuit said:
L.A.B. said:
I think baz means right hand sidecars not right hand side CARS.

http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/rhsidecars.html
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Oh, that went right over my head.
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oops sorry i should have said side cars fitted to the right hand side of the bike,always struck me as a strange law to bring out there was hardly any in the UK at the time that i remember anyway maybe the odd russian combination? but its not like you saw them crashed all over the place!! so why bring the law out?
 
baz said:
baz said:
Sorry to keep on about this but were there really any deaths caused by riders using the gear lever as a brake??? If so how did investigators know it was the cause of death! Unless the dying rider said he accidentally braked using the gear lever!! Or there was an independent witness saying the rider used the gear lever to brake with?, Both scenarios seem unlikely to me ,does anybody know for sure?
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Anybody out there know ??
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Yep.
 
baz said:
baz said:
Sorry to keep on about this but were there really any deaths caused by riders using the gear lever as a brake??? If so how did investigators know it was the cause of death! Unless the dying rider said he accidentally braked using the gear lever!! Or there was an independent witness saying the rider used the gear lever to brake with?, Both scenarios seem unlikely to me ,does anybody know for sure?
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Anybody out there know ??
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If you road-race, you will find many bikes with different gear changes. It usually only takes one scare to get your head right. Many years ago a friend of mine bought one of the first Suzuki T250s in Australia and gave me a ride on it. I stood on the gear lever instead of the brake, then grabbed the twin-leading front brake and dropped his brand new bike right in front of him. Luckily, when we picked the bike up off the road, it did not have a mark on it. That guy became the first Australian soldier to be killed in Vietnam.
 
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