Poor bugger

cliffa said:
I seem to remember when Triumph introduced the T595, they had an issue of frames cracking and there was a recall. One guy was very vocal about it in MCN etc. and was eventually offered a replacement bike. He refused as he also wanted compensation apparently, so John Bloor personally retracted the offer and told him he's see him in court ( possibly not so politely). I don't know if it ever went further.

Maybe that's what Norton should do?
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Yea, claiming compensation would have been a sticky wicket..his claim would be 'time not enjoying the bike I paid for'....difficult to quantify...or a claim for 'what might have happened' which seriously is not going to fly. Bloor's offer was more than reasonable...and this is a word that pops up regularly in law when determining what is ok and what is not.
 
Have to admit I do sympathise with this guy, but having found himself in a hole, biting the only hand that's offering to help him out of it doesn't seem overly bright...
But again, I haven't got £40k+ in the equation...
The only other thing I do wonder at though: Given the perhaps 'cottage industry' set up that was Donnington, would the bikes produced there be so uniform as to be truly identical? Is it a given that say, a welding fault on one would be an issue on all of them? Yes, I assume design faults will be inherent to them all, but would manufacturing/assembly or quality control issues?
Again, pure speculation (and a day off :) )
 
EstuaryBoy said:
Have to admit I do sympathise with this guy, but having found himself in a hole, biting the only hand that's offering to help him out of it doesn't seem overly bright...
But again, I haven't got £40k+ in the equation...
The only other thing I do wonder at though: Given the perhaps 'cottage industry' set up that was Donnington, would the bikes produced there be so uniform as to be truly identical? Is it a given that say, a welding fault on one would be an issue on all of them? Yes, I assume design faults will be inherent to them all, but would manufacturing/assembly or quality control issues?
Again, pure speculation (and a day off :) )
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On the quality, that there is the question. If the ones Norton had access to are bad...what of the others? Who knows without inspection...so until that happens, they are 'questionable'.....
 
The only reason I ask is 'cos the wife's just pushed a bloody great 'motorcycle shaped' present under the tree!
Gotta practise my: 'just what I always wanted' face, and hope she's kept the receipt...

Just in case :)
 
So his choice was keep an unrideable £44k bike or upgrade to effectively a fairly exclusive and rideable and saleable £54k bike. A bugger if you cant afford the upgrade but shit happens.
In this current world, compared to the poor sods in Afghanistan and any number of other real issues out there, he and most of us are pretty lucky to only have to deal with our first world issues.
 
Vernon240 said:
Bloor's offer was more than reasonable...and this is a word that pops up regularly in law when determining what is ok and what is not.
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Simple test to take is to ask yourself how much do I need to bring myself back to where I was before the issue arose. In UK civil cases punitive damages do not enter the equation except in extreme cases. A new bike as an offer to replace a faulty used bike is very reasonable and equitable.
 
ntst8 said:
So his choice was keep an unrideable £44k bike or upgrade to effectively a fairly exclusive and rideable and saleable £54k bike. A bugger if you cant afford the upgrade but shit happens.
In this current world, compared to the poor sods in Afghanistan and any number of other real issues out there, he and most of us are pretty lucky to only have to deal with our first world issues.
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If it were me and I already spent the 44K ? The decision is easy and my name would be on the list to get my NEW V4SV for 10K and trade in .
 
ntst8 said:
So his choice was keep an unrideable £44k bike or upgrade to effectively a fairly exclusive and rideable and saleable £54k bike. A bugger if you cant afford the upgrade but shit happens.
In this current world, compared to the poor sods in Afghanistan and any number of other real issues out there, he and most of us are pretty lucky to only have to deal with our first world issues.
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Well said!
And as I’ve said before, the bike is 2 years old at least, the £10k deal is probably not far from normal depreciation anyway.
 
I get the feeling he is primarily upset his investment didn’t work out. You can see him in his garage in another video with his other bi....I mean investments. He says owners are informed and risk averse. Not taking the offer out of principle is a strange hill to die on....and hoping maybe he’ll get something from BDO or his bike will become a collectors piece ( I think that will take patience if he wants more than his 44k back) seems very risky to me. Seems to be he is simply upset that the damning report from Norton has ruined his investment, vs stopping him from riding it.

As Fast Eddie said, 1st world issues.
I hope some do take the offer and we see some bikes out and about next year. Would be awesome!
 
cliffa said:
I seem to remember when Triumph introduced the T595, they had an issue of frames cracking and there was a recall. One guy was very vocal about it in MCN etc. and was eventually offered a replacement bike. He refused as he also wanted compensation apparently, so John Bloor personally retracted the offer and told him he's see him in court ( possibly not so politely). I don't know if it ever went further.

Maybe that's what Norton should do?
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I had one of the early 595s and the frame recall meant that my beautiful polished alloy frame was removed and chopped up only to be replaced by a horrible painted thing. All because there were (apparently) some twits jumping the bikes (in the US)….funnily enough most things break if you abuse them enough. Triumph replaced the frames not because there was a fault but because the press got excited over the issue and to save future sales they had to be seen to do something….
 
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