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Bernhard · Apr 21, 2020

SteveMinning said:
If SG had parts why was he stripping customers bikes that were in for service?

Because SG was and is a crook all the way to the bone, and even now, some people can't see it!

TonyA · Apr 21, 2020

Better Taiwan than China .

Al's#5 · Apr 21, 2020

TonyA said:
Better Taiwan than China .

Or Spain, the head temp probe is FAE 33370!

TonyA · Apr 21, 2020

Measure the diameter of the probe tip man ! is it 4mm or 7.3mm ?

Al's#5 · Apr 21, 2020

TonyA said:
Measure the diameter of the probe tip man ! is it 4mm or 7.3mm ?

I have always adhered to the adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it", plus there's any guarantee to consider so reluctant to remove the sensor for now. Looking at the parts cats. though it looks as per Bosch and Honeywell units. For cross ref Meat & Doria of Italy #82080, JLR #EAC 3927, Lucas #ETC 8496. All readily available and ranging from £10 - £20 UK.

TonyA · Apr 21, 2020

Fair enough. So it looks as though not all Euro 4 Norton 961’s have the 6mm hole or the 4mm probe tip. I though this but wasn’t sure. Like all things Norton 961 a small mystery. Do you have a Euro 4 Norton 961 ?

TonyA · Apr 21, 2020

Al's#5 said:
I have always adhered to the adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it", plus there's any guarantee to consider so reluctant to remove the sensor for now. Looking at the parts cats. though it looks as per Bosch and Honeywell units. For cross ref Meat & Doria of Italy #82080, JLR #EAC 3927, Lucas #ETC 8496. All readily available and ranging from £10 - £20 UK.

Fair enough. So it looks as though not all Euro 4 Norton 961’s have the 6mm hole or the 4mm probe tip. I though this but wasn’t sure. Like all things Norton 961 a small mystery. Do you have a Euro 4 Norton 961 ?

Welshrugby · Apr 21, 2020

Bernhard said:
Because SG was and is a crook all the way to the bone, and even now, some people can't see it!

I think you and one or two others on these forums have a closed mind. You wouldn't likely aknowledge that anything good came out of Donnington, am I correct? It seems to me obvious that the guy wanted to make Norton a success and actually built some beautiful bikes. They developed new models as they could see the company would be dead in the water without them. Given some more funding and time, who knows, the overseas licenses could have paid off and any loans and pensions may have been put right.

I don't deny that reading what has come out is pretty shocking and some very sharp practices seem to have been uncovered. We can all look on now and say that TT racing was a big mistake but he was just trying to build the brand (and no doubt massage his ego at the same time). The BBQ's throughout the summer were I guess to get people talking about the brand and trying to get people to become part of the Norton family/owners. But there were obvious excesses like numerous astons and no doubt expensive travel/entertainment budgets. The guy had/has obvious skills but somewhat naive in the way he controlled the costs. Actually he is no different from the vast majority of stock market listed companies on the UK AIM market, where they have huge salaries/expenses, living off shareholder investment and rarely being prudent with finances.

If he has acted illegally, then he should face up to that and maybe serve time. I also think he should then be completely stripped of any assets, whether in the UK, overseas or in his wifes (or others names).

I am not trying to defend him but actually stating reality, I have a cracking machine that i love (at the moment) and many others do. I wish TVS every success and hope they still build bikes in britain and look after existing owners.

Al's#5 · Apr 22, 2020

TonyA said:
Fair enough. So it looks as though not all Euro 4 Norton 961’s have the 6mm hole or the 4mm probe tip. I though this but wasn’t sure. Like all things Norton 961 a small mystery. Do you have a Euro 4 Norton 961 ?

No problem and yes, I believe mine is euro 4, 2019. I agree with your thinking and that all heads are probably drilled and tapped the same with different probes dependent on supplier at the time of build. Availability and cost not being a problem I'll source a spare once curfew is lifted.

Al's#5 · Apr 22, 2020

Welshrugby said:
I think you and one or two others on these forums have a closed mind. You wouldn't likely aknowledge that anything good came out of Donnington, am I correct? It seems to me obvious that the guy wanted to make Norton a success and actually built some beautiful bikes. They developed new models as they could see the company would be dead in the water without them. Given some more funding and time, who knows, the overseas licenses could have paid off and any loans and pensions may have been put right.

I don't deny that reading what has come out is pretty shocking and some very sharp practices seem to have been uncovered. We can all look on now and say that TT racing was a big mistake but he was just trying to build the brand (and no doubt massage his ego at the same time). The BBQ's throughout the summer were I guess to get people talking about the brand and trying to get people to become part of the Norton family/owners. But there were obvious excesses like numerous astons and no doubt expensive travel/entertainment budgets. The guy had/has obvious skills but somewhat naive in the way he controlled the costs. Actually he is no different from the vast majority of stock market listed companies on the UK AIM market, where they have huge salaries/expenses, living off shareholder investment and rarely being prudent with finances.

If he has acted illegally, then he should face up to that and maybe serve time. I also think he should then be completely stripped of any assets, whether in the UK, overseas or in his wifes (or others names).

I am not trying to defend him but actually stating reality, I have a cracking machine that i love (at the moment) and many others do. I wish TVS every success and hope they still build bikes in britain and look after existing owners.

Here here, as I have said previously and say again, at least we have cracking bikes out of it, the more I look the more I'm pleasantly surprised with build and component quality.

Bernhard · Apr 22, 2020

Welshrugby said:
I think you and one or two others on these forums have a closed mind. You wouldn't likely aknowledge that anything good came out of Donnington, am I correct? It seems to me obvious that the guy wanted to make Norton a success and actually built some beautiful bikes. They developed new models as they could see the company would be dead in the water without them. Given some more funding and time, who knows, the overseas licenses could have paid off and any loans and pensions may have been put right.

I don't deny that reading what has come out is pretty shocking and some very sharp practices seem to have been uncovered. We can all look on now and say that TT racing was a big mistake but he was just trying to build the brand (and no doubt massage his ego at the same time). The BBQ's throughout the summer were I guess to get people talking about the brand and trying to get people to become part of the Norton family/owners. But there were obvious excesses like numerous astons and no doubt expensive travel/entertainment budgets. The guy had/has obvious skills but somewhat naive in the way he controlled the costs. Actually he is no different from the vast majority of stock market listed companies on the UK AIM market, where they have huge salaries/expenses, living off shareholder investment and rarely being prudent with finances.

If he has acted illegally, then he should face up to that and maybe serve time. I also think he should then be completely stripped of any assets, whether in the UK, overseas or in his wifes (or others names).

I am not trying to defend him but actually stating reality, I have a cracking machine that i love (at the moment) and many others do. I wish TVS every success and hope they still build bikes in britain and look after existing owners.

The big question is, where did it all start to go wrong?
IMO it's when he acquired Spondon as a stepping stone, then he begun to get out of his depth...... you and all the other owners would not have acquired your motorcycle if SG hadn't taken some people for mugs like the big pension fiasco, just you remember this when you have a smile on your face when you ride your bike up the road, it's you who has a closed mind also, and you don't give a f**k.

Fast Eddie · Apr 22, 2020

Bernhard said:
The big question is, where did it all start to go wrong?
IMO it's when he acquired Spondon as a stepping stone, then he begun to get out of his depth...... you and all the other owners would not have acquired your motorcycle if SG hadn't taken some people for mugs like the big pension fiasco, just you remember this when you have a smile on your face when you ride your bike up the road, it's you who has a closed mind also, and you don't give a f**k.

I think you’re out of line there Bernhard. WR nor anyone else on here that I can recall has said they “don’t give a f*ck” !

In fact, I don’t think anyone has outright defended SG at all.

The consensus is definitely that things went wrong, and SG is therefore very much at fault.

The two differences of opinion are that some believe it was a deliberate scam from the outset, whereas most seem to believe SG started with genuine if over ambitious plans, and ‘flexible’ business morals, and it went down hill from there.

nopdog · Apr 22, 2020

Bernhard said:
The big question is, where did it all start to go wrong?
IMO it's when he acquired Spondon as a stepping stone, then he begun to get out of his depth...... you and all the other owners would not have acquired your motorcycle if SG hadn't taken some people for mugs like the big pension fiasco, just you remember this when you have a smile on your face when you ride your bike up the road, it's you who has a closed mind also, and you don't give a f**k.

Hey Bernhard
You live in a dream world. Companies go bust every day of the week. They used to say in the USA that you’ll never make it till you’ve been bankrupt at least once!
SG may have been a crook, he may have had his hart in the right place who knows who cares. He’s gone so let’s get over it.
History is full of failed companies/ventures for every reason we can think of. So SG is a crook he’s not the worst out there by far.
I’ll be happy just to be able to get spare parts for my girl.

MAK · Apr 22, 2020

Bernhard said:
The big question is, where did it all start to go wrong?
IMO it's when he acquired Spondon as a stepping stone, then he begun to get out of his depth...... you and all the other owners would not have acquired your motorcycle if SG hadn't taken some people for mugs like the big pension fiasco, just you remember this when you have a smile on your face when you ride your bike up the road, it's you who has a closed mind also, and you don't give a f**k.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing,
You must be so gifted!

MxMartin · Apr 22, 2020

Bernhard said:
The big question is, where did it all start to go wrong?
IMO it's when he acquired Spondon as a stepping stone, then he begun to get out of his depth...... you and all the other owners would not have acquired your motorcycle if SG hadn't taken some people for mugs like the big pension fiasco, just you remember this when you have a smile on your face when you ride your bike up the road, it's you who has a closed mind also, and you don't give a f**k.

You seem to be confusing grey haired pensioners with high risk investors looking to make tax free savings with a big return.... with any high risk investment your funds may go up or down... read the small print on your own pension plan. It is crap to lose hard earned money in any investment but you only have to look at the volatility in the current market to see that huge losses have been made.

TonyA · Apr 22, 2020

Al's#5 said:
No problem and yes, I believe mine is euro 4, 2019. I agree with your thinking and that all heads are probably drilled and tapped the same with different probes dependent on supplier at the time of build. Availability and cost not being a problem I'll source a spare once curfew is lifted.

According to Panetone in Germany , he said Ollie found that some or the latest Euro 4 Norton 961's are drilled for the 4mm probe . All I was saying is that this started somewhere in the middle or end of production. Quite close to the end of production probably. If you find the 4mm temp probe you can use it in the bigger hole , just put on more heat paste . I think we are done with this one now. Thanks for your input .

TonyA · Sep 17, 2020

Wasn't sure where I last posted the air box inlet air temp sensor post so it will go here . You all may remember that the OEM Norton 961 Air Box inlet air temp sensor is/was a Honeywell ES110-0016 . Norton may have excess stock of these on hand OR they have found a suitable replacement . Now that Norton are back in business , we no longer need to worry about spare parts ; right ? But , I wanted to finish this about the air box temp sensor issue. The Honeywell ES110-0016 appears to be obsolete/discontinued/no longer available , but there is a replacement that I am now testing and it seems to work good so far. The ES110-0016 has been dropped from Honeywell Datasheet , and the ES110-0001 has emerged BUT at a higher cost (about double $). So , I bought one and I am testing it on the bike since yesterday. Here are some photos :

The 0017 is electrically equivilent to the 0016 but wrong thread and price is cheaper too than 0001. Only difference I can see is thread size that makes it cost more !!!

Here is a picture of the goop/oil/debris that can clog your passages . Have a close look at the sensor tip coated with oily muck . The endearing quality of the Norton 961 is how easy to work on , this took about 20 minutes .

Madnorton · Sep 25, 2020

Or some bikes are re-sell. One owner rejected his 2 bikes after legal action. The later was doctored and sold as new. Luckily for the original owner, but unfortunate for the second owner as it has now been written off.

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