P11 Paint & Pinstripe

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For a bit if added confusion, my P11A, sn 126064, came with chrome steel rear fender and alloy front. I’m pretty sure this was original, the bike was rough, but about 80% there, and had sat for years.
Unlikely with a mix of alloy and steel fenders. Late G80CS bikes had chrome fenders f/r and the front fender was used on the P11 as well (in fact, the complete front end is pretty much identical save for a few details). Remember, by this time the P11A had become a street scrambler and the 'bling' factor had to be upped.

In your case, someone might have switched a damaged steel fender for the earlier model at some point in time.

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For a bit if added confusion, my P11A, sn 126064, came with chrome steel rear fender and alloy front. I’m pretty sure this was original, the bike was rough, but about 80% there, and had sat for years.

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Thks B, I'm looking for guards & stays now
 
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I doubt it was a replacement, they weren’t that common around here to have lots of spares kicking around. I have heard of this combo before, but who knows for sure.

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Unlikely with a mix of alloy and steel fenders. Late G80CS bikes had chrome fenders f/r and the front fender was used on the P11 as well (in fact, the complete front end is pretty much identical save for a few details). Remember, by this time the P11A had become a street scrambler and the 'bling' factor had to be upped.

In your case, someone might have switched a damaged steel fender for the earlier model at some point in time.

-Knut
 
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[QUOTE="rufus, post: 416471, member: 9994"
I have added a photo of the bottom yoke & stem ..... don't think this is correct due to the lugs included, struggling to find a fork ass'y drg for P11A ?
Also the gearbox is stamped 129142 M ?? .... I have read this is not unusual, may be correct ? but again comments welcome.
Dave,
129142 M is not the correct stamping for a P11/P11A/P11A Ranger (Ranger750 comes into a group of its own). Please have a look how it should be.
Serial g/b number had 5 digits.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-P11-P-11-Four-Speed-Transmission-Gearbox-/181630594819

Your bottom yoke and stem is not correct for a P11. Try sourcing a complete P11 fork.

-Knut[/QUOTE]



Thanks Knut,

found this old post relating to g/box numbers .... I think member P400 had similar numbering on his g/box .. pic in the thread so possibly I have ranger 750 g/box ? replaced at some stage

jerrykap said:

This just in from the most reliable authority we all know and love in Old Blighty;
"Can you inform the bloke on the P11A Ranger 750 that is for sale on EBay that all P11A Ranger 750’s from 128646 to 129145 all had their gearbox numbers stamped with the same numbers as the engine and frame numbers. The P11A Ranger 750’s also had either the letter M or the letter S at the end of the gearbox number. He is incorrect to say that the P11A Ranger 750’s gearbox is stamped incorrectly. I have four P11A Ranger 750’s and the gearbox numbers are stamped on the middle casting.

The gearbox top mounting lugs are stamped with the P11 gearbox number from 121007 to 126123."

Hope this helps to set the record straight.

C-ya, Jer


 

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Also the gearbox is stamped 129142 M ??
If the number is stamped on the inner gearbox cover, it could be from a Ranger 750. They have the engine number stamped on the gearbox cover.
 

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I have a sales brochure which includes a pic of 1968 OHV 750 cc Norton N-15CS "Special", together with the New 750CC OHV Norton P-11A Scrambler , both with pinstripes. It also shows the N-15CS Special with low pipes and P-11A with high pipes which confuses me further ?............. I thought P11A 's were all low pipes ( not 100% on this now either ) ?....I'm new to this site but if i knew how to upload pics from my photos I would ? Any info on both pinstripes and pipes much appreciated , even better a pic of a correct 1968 P11A ( if there is such a thing )
I hope the N15 I built didn't confuse you. My point is, some people just like certain things; two of those are pinstripes and high pipes!
 
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bought a basket case from a friend who cant complete, motor rebuilt (but need to have a look), frame and wheels refurbished, need lots of bits and even more love but im up for it ( at the moment anyway) its old and a long way from home so who knows whats correct or not but this site helps enormously, thank you all ... I'm having fun just reading and sometimes re reading as it seems there were (are) a few "options" . Id like to rebuild as close as possible to original build ( but ive gone stripes cause i like em, and from reading posts who knows they could have been optioned by the dealer )

anyway, a few pics ( hopefully Ive sussed out how to upload which was the first hurdle of many to come :)

https://instagram.com/p/BwDfPffnPRL/

https://instagram.com/p/BwDbycSnseK/

Ill be sorting parts I have, researching and creating shopping lists for Walridge and others, ill upload that list when complete in case anyone wants to offload 'surplus' bits and bobs

Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave just seen your post regarding selling the p11 and having bits to sell? As everyone else I’m after clocks side panel, side stand, coil brackets etc, all the hard to find bits! If you have or know of any please let me know... Nick B
 
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Hey, been off this site for a while - new job has taken a lot of my time until quite recently.

I started the P11 thread about 8 years ago due to my acquiring my Ranger, and a fair amount of interest in the P11s. This eventually led to the P11 forum, which - for the most part - has been a great source of info on the P11s.

The experts for P11s are, of course, Dave Campbell, Tony Curzon, Leo Goff and Brian Slark. I have met Brian and Leo, and have had correspondence with Tony.

My understanding of the P11 history is as follows:

The batch of G85CSs that went to ZD Motors in 1966 was recognized as obsolete. The crew at ZD did they same thing they in '63 with the G15/45, and fit the Atlas motor in the G85 chassis. This prototype used the 7R conical hub of the G85 and a custom oil tank that wrapped around the rear wheel. There was no side cover over the battery. This is supposedly the genesis of the mystical triangular battery side cover, airbrushed in over the battery on the prototype in early press releases.

This prototype was sent back to Plumstead, and was copied to the production P11 to the point that the first batch did not have a drain plug in the oil tank.

This was rectified fairly quickly, and 2 more batches of P11s were produced, totaling about 700, mostly low pipe and off-road forks.

4 batches were made for 1968, totaling about 1300, the last mostly called P11A Rangers, as the collapse of Matchless led to the naming of the remaining P11As in stock 'Rangers' to coincide with the 1969 Ranger.

There are about a dozen differences between a P11A Ranger and a Ranger 750. Skimmed v unskimmed hubs, brake switch in front brake cable, seat (Ranger seat is essentially a G15/N15 seat from '68 without the rear mounting tab), head (Ranger used a Commando head, drilled for Atlas oiling), , Rear mudguard, reflectors, Norton decal on the tank, gold 'D' stripe on the tank, and a few other minor differences.

Tony says 497 Ranger 750s were made, P/11 128646 to P/11 129145, with 2 pre-production 1969 Commandos interspersed in that batch. My math says there were 498 made.

Regardless, these were pretty good bikes.

I have put about 6000 miles on my Ranger since resurrecting it, and 1000 miles on my G15CS. Both much more fun around town than the Commando - but neither is happy at all on the interstate, while my 850 will cruise for 2 hours at 75-80 (Roadster tank)
 

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