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Hi everyone, back after a bit of a break. ( the roadster tank split on the way to work but have a interstate on it now).

Any of you guys bought the new commando? I saw it at Donnington but haven't heard about it since. Have they delivered any?

I am not in the market for a £16k bike at the moment, but would like to see a few on the road.
 
They certainly haven't made it these shores, yet.

Not a great liklihood of me getting one, outside of a huge change of situation regarding a family property that must sell before I get a share; even then, the wife demands a a luxury brick home before another bike purchase, so that's likely to eat that up as well.
 
The last email from Norton say's production expected November ,just in time for the bad english weather,
the rest of the year it's just rubbish.
The good news is Peter Williams is joining them to produce after Market Goodies, he is a Personal Hero of mine .
Racer and Race Enginer for Norton in the 70s. They say never meet your hero but he's a charming man.
I now have the Jacket, the Umbrella the Hat, and the Watch, just waiting the Bike !!!!!!!! .
It might come same time as my CNW Cafe Racer .

Richard Barks
 
Mr. Barks, You have a CNW bike on order as well as a new Commando? Holy Smokes you must be single. That is the very best of both worlds, Wish I could pull something off like that but the old lady wants a house. Good for you and hope you send a picture of both side by side. Have a great day. Chuck. :D
 
grandpaul said:
Sounds like a possible early 2010 U.S. debut?

I'm a little doubtful on that. Have they started the EPA approval process yet? That's going to be a long and expensive process. Isn't that what sunk Dreer's company?

Debby, not holding my breath
 
I believe Dreer got past the EPA point (note the cat-con in the early prototype pix). He just stopped short of money to actually mass-produce the bikes. In other words, everything but production from Dreer's group, nothing but production from Gardners group. At least, that's my understanding.
 
Getting the original Commando approved by the various US authorities was a real hernia back in 1967/68. About the only regulation was noise. There were no emission requirements then.

There were two tests that both involved running past a pair of calibrated microphones with dB meters attached. I think they were 200 feet apart.

The first test was to approach the first microphone at 15 mph in second gear (I think that was the speed) then accelerate at full throttle past the second one, without a gearshift. The second test was to run at 70 percent of the bike's maximum speed in top gear past both microphones. Each test had maximum dB levels.

As you can imagine, full throttle acceleration in 2nd gear doesn't take very much distance to reach red-line, so we were making a lot of noise when we got to the second mic. On the second test, we found that most of the noise measured was wind noise, primarily air going through the cooling fins. Engine noise was not a big part of the equation.

When I hear current H-D machines, I figure the noise regs must've been watered down, because there's no way something that loud could get by what Norton had to meet.

I remember there was a lot of discussion with the US authorities about the regulations, as we couldn't meet the requirements with the UK model. We were testing some very low-noise mufflers at abut the time I left (July '68) , and we weren't finished with trying to meet the test rquirements. I don't knoiw if the regs were modified or whether US introduction was delayed.
 
I spoke at lengh to the C.E.O MR Garner at the Norton weekend a few weeks ago .
He said he recieved an order from a west coast dealer for a few hundred but could'nt supply also spoke of a v4 1000cc in
the pipeline and the first 200 ltd edt everyone is being sold at a loss.
The emission tests alone are costing him about £100,000 plus but the U.S Market is the one to go for.
But as in all things in life you have got to sell them . Bloor at Triumph pumped in about £70 million before breaking even, it's a huge undertaking to bring a new bike to market and i wish him well.

Richard Barks
 
Hortons Norton said:
Mr. Barks, You have a CNW bike on order as well as a new Commando? Holy Smokes you must be single. That is the very best of both worlds, Wish I could pull something off like that but the old lady wants a house. Good for you and hope you send a picture of both side by side. Have a great day. Chuck. :D

just to add insult to injury i also a CNW Commando ( bought from matt and shipped over 3 years ago) in the Garage as well
i have considered therapy but the condition is life long and untreatable !!!!!!!!!!!
that bike with only 6000 mls on the clock is up for sale .
 
South Bay is the U.S. importer/dealer, they have the basic inf up on thier website.

It'll sure be nice when they get here.
 
Wow, cheaper than was originally quoted.... was like 16000 pounds. Guess they ARE going to take a loss on them. It will be interesting to see how they compete with equal competitors that are 5 grand cheaper.
 
frankdamp said:
Getting the original Commando approved by the various US authorities was a real hernia back in 1967/68. About the only regulation was noise. There were no emission requirements then.

There were two tests that both involved running past a pair of calibrated microphones with dB meters attached. I think they were 200 feet apart.

The old and the new.

The Society of Automotive Engineers International has developed a sound test standard for testing motorcycle exhaust systems for excessive noise.
The J2825 “Measurment of Exhaust Sound Pressure Levels of Stationary On-Highway Motorcycles” standard sets testing conditions, procedures and instrumentation for measuring sound levels.

The need for a sound testing standard was a top recommendation of the 2003 National Summit on Motorcycle Sound. The AMA-organized summit gathered ideas from riders, motorcycle manufacturers, aftermarket industry representatives, racing promoters, government agencies and others on how to address the issue of excessive motorcycle sound.

Ed Moreland, AMA vice president for government relations, says noisy exhausts create negative stereotypes about motorcycles, and J2825 will help local jurisdictions set reasonable limits.

“The motorcycling community and law enforcement have long sought a practical field test for measuring street motorcycle exhaust sound,” says Moreland. “Thanks to the hard work of the Motorcycle Industry Council, and the SAE engineers involved in the project, for the first time a simple field test is now available.

“The AMA maintains that few factors contribute more to misunderstanding and prejudice against street riders than excessively noisy motorcycles,” Moreland continues. “With the new SAE J2825 standard, street motorcyclists can now determine how quiet, or loud, their bikes really are.”

The SAE J2825 test is similar to the SAE J1287 test used for off-road motorcycles. A calibrated sound meter is held at a 45-degree angle 20 inches from the exhaust pipe of a running engine. J2825 establishes how to test the sound level when the bike is idle, at a predetermined engine speed (“Set RPM Test”), or by slowly increasing the engine speed (“Swept RPM Test”).

The SAE Motorcycle Technical Steering Committee recommends a limit of 92 dBA for all idling engines. In Set RPM or Swept RPM tests, the recommended cap is 100 dBA for three- or four-cylinder engines, and 96 dBA for engines with less than three or more than four cylinders.

While the AMA supports the J2825 standard, Moreland says other sources of excessive noise should face the same scrutiny as motorcycles.

“The J2825 test allows jurisdictions around the nation, struggling with complaints about excessive motorcycle sound, to set reasonable limits in accordance with the SAE standard,” says Moreland. “While the AMA supports the establishment of the SAE J2825 standard in America’s cities, towns and communities, we will continue to fight efforts that single out motorcycles while still permitting excessive sound from other sources, such as loud c
 
Laredo has a lovely setup, we have unabated airport noise, several thousand trucks ("18 wheelers") crossing through DAILY, and trains that run from midnight till 4AM with the most unbelievably loud horns blasting at EVERY INTERSECTION as they cross through about 4 miles from the outskirts of town to the downtown switchyard.

You could have the loudest set of pipes blasting away on a bike, and it would be drowned out by any of those three.

Thankfully, cops around here turn a deaf ear to loud pipes (pardon the pun).
 
Unfortunately, Paul, trains sounding their whistles at every intersection is a legal requirement, I think. There's a story about a town in Kansas where there was a big increase in the birth rate that nobody could explain. It turned out that, 9 months earlier, a freight that had gone through town around midnight had been rescheduled to 5:00 am. When your sleep is disturbed at 5 o'clock, it's too soon to get up, but not worth going back to sleep, so . . .

According to a manufacturer of whistles, horns are things that grow on animals.
 
I have had a gander at the American site and $17500 is around £10000-10700 which is more competative than the £16000 at Donington they were after.
Pleased to see the Carbon wheels are now an option as i cannot get my head around that idea on the awful pot holed roads I have to put up with. Any saving in unsprung weight would only show up if Jean luc Picard was using it!

Maybe if I laid off the pies and Speckled Hen my rusty steed would be a faster, I'll let you know!

I wish them well, but the recession has claimed another victim with my mrs' job, so another bike purchase is on the back burner at the mo, but I paid £10k for a supreglide back in 2002, and the Norton appeals to me more than that.
 
European regulations are more stringent than US regulations for motorcycles. In fact, Harleys in Europe have to be silenced and cleaned up to meet EU standards. If the new Norton passes EU standards it will fly through the US standards.
 
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montelatici said:
European regulations are more stringent than US regulations for motorcycles. In fact, Harleys in Europe have to be silenced and cleaned up to meet EU standards. If the new Norton passes EU standards it will fly through the US standards.

I believe another expense for new manufacturers is the liability insurance required. We in the US are a litigious society.
 
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