New DMV Nightmare

concours said:

The burden of proof is on them. Can they produce notification from you it was sold?

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No, they freely admit that I did not sell it and that it did not leave VA. VA simply has a computer system that looks for VINs titled in another state and invalidates the VA title. Trust me, I fully understand that it is beyond belief and stupid. You can imagine how my 44 years as a programmer, especially of communications, data, and databases, can understand their mistake and their ill-advised auto-reliance on a computer system.

They simply don't follow one of my mottos: "Computers are here to server people, people are not here to serve computers". Movies are made about scary AI - unimportant - turning things over to computers programmed with poorly thought-out use cases is the real problem - I see it everywhere. "Can't be wrong, the computer says...."

If you read my latest big post, you'll see that I'm now trying to fix the source (embarrass the source into fixing their problem). IN the middle of it, I said: "Somehow, your organization and/or the DoJ need to make the States understand the system and quit doing this. I now know of several more cases in various states who have similar problems – each State acts differently. I am being pushed to lead a class action suit on this – I really don’t want to spend the rest of my life fighting your organization and the DoJ, but I really don’t like that my motorcycle has been stolen by bureaucracy and that I have a collection of motorcycles that can be stolen one-by-one in the same manner."

This shit is real.

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The intense traffic jams we endure today are CAUSED by the field testing of autonomous vehicle systems on OUR DIME.
Adaptive Cruise Control being the worst POS idea ever that most do not understand the downside, just that it helps them be lazier, more aloof.

concours said:

This shit is real.

Amazon product ASIN B0881GSR7X

The intense traffic jams we endure today are CAUSED by the field testing of autonomous vehicle systems on OUR DIME.
Adaptive Cruise Control being the worst POS idea ever that most do not understand the downside, just that it helps them be lazier, more aloof.

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Interesting. I didn't think that they contributed so much.

I use ACC, but find I often override it for the reasons stated here, "While they potentially react faster and more gracefully to vehicles ahead than humans can, their sensors are not able to see beyond the vehicle immediately in front. That limits their ability to outperform human drivers, who anticipate changes by looking multiple vehicles ahead."

Road test proves adaptive cruise control can add to traffic jam problem

VU researcher wants closer look at feature to address traffic issues A new, open-road test of adaptive cruise control demonstrated that the feature, designed to make driving easier by continuously adjusting a vehicle’s speed in response to the car ahead, doesn’t yet solve the problem of phantom...

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Shocking! AAMVA and/or DoJ contacted Virginia. A VA DMV supervisor contacted me, and she fully understood the issue - based on what I wrote. She has re-instated my title and registration as a temporary measure and is working with MI to find a final solution. I explained that there are hundreds of potential problems as there are hundreds if not thousands of Nortons in the US and that according to AAMVA, VA and some other states are using the system incorrectly. She also said that in this case they can issue a VA VIN without changing to a reconstructed title, but she understands that is not great since it would affect the value and be a PITA.

Sounds like good news. Not sure why a non-reconstructed title would be a PITA and affect the value

You should see if you can get a 10 digit VIN. Displacement+SN. I have precedence if that helps

Still need to correct this at the national level though, but that's not on you

TomU said:

Sounds like good news. Not sure why a non-reconstructed title would be a PITA and affect the value

You should see if you can get a 10 digit VIN. Displacement+SN. I have precedence if that helps

Still need to correct this at the national level though, but that's not on you

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At least the bike is ridable for now and I have direct contact info to someone helping me.

There are people on this forum that will tell you that a non-standard serial number or a changed certification label means it is stolen! Having to change all the info with the County and Insurance is a PITA. If I go that route and they let me pick the number, I'll use the frame number - only works for 850s - 750s don't have one. However, as far as I can tell, they provide the new VIN - you don't get to pick. Furthermore, it's not free!

I see an opportunity for an experienced programmer to come out of retirement and propose a fat time-and-materials contract to fix what the original programmers did. But, that means days or weeks chasing down someone else's un-defined variables. Better yet, cost plus. Your fat salary plus a negotiated profit.

Thomasa said:

I see an opportunity for an experienced programmer to come out of retirement and propose a fat time-and-materials contract to fix what the original programmers did. But, that means days or weeks chasing down someone else's un-defined variables. Better yet, cost plus. Your fat salary plus a negotiated profit.

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I already offered to fix the national and/or VA system for free. The AAMVA is about 8 miles from me in Arlington, VA. The VA DMV headquarters is in Richmond. I've spent WAY, WAY more time talking and writing about this that the time it would take me to fix it. It's a simple database.

marshg246 said:

Finally talked to a technician. He will send a letter to the tractor owner for a VIN check. If they find an error, they will fix it. Otherwise, I'll have to part out my bike as it is illegal to ride.

I've been involved with IT since 1978 and I hate what computers have done in many cases. At least five people today have said that this problem is impossible since no two vehicles can have the same VIN and the stupid national registry only goes by VIN because some idiot in DC wrote the task order for the software thinking the same.

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Several years ago I purchased a 55 5T Triumph with an AZ title. It too had a title issue because there were 2 other vehicles with the same vin.
I had researched it and printed out the information before I went the the Texas DMV. They took my information and did their own research and yes I was right. They had no issues with the title and issued me a clean Texas title. I sold the bike to a guy in NM and he didn't have any issues when registering it.
Maybe I caught them on a good day?

N0rt0nelectr@ said:

Several years ago I purchased a 55 5T Triumph with an AZ title. It too had a title issue because there were 2 other vehicles with the same vin.
I had researched it and printed out the information before I went the the Texas DMV. They took my information and did their own research and yes I was right. They had no issues with the title and issued me a clean Texas title. I sold the bike to a guy in NM and he didn't have any issues when registering it.
Maybe I caught them on a good day?

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The key to your story is "Several years ago". I'm talking about an issue that happened in 2022 and will happen again and again as the Federally mandated submissions to the database are made. I've asked that the States, such as VA, making improper use of the database be trained but so far, that has not been done.

Wow, what a frustrating ordeal! Dealing with the DMV can be a real headache sometimes, especially when you're stuck in a loop of phone calls and dead ends.

I remember when I had a mix-up with my vehicle registration a while back. It felt like I was banging my head against a wall trying to get everything sorted out. That's when I stumbled upon https://dmvlist.com/ – seriously, a lifesaver in situations like these.

Texas has a form that people are SUPPOSED to fill out and submit when they SELL a bike with a Texas title. It basically renders the "value" of the title useless to anyone but the buyer (as reported on the special form), and that tile is rendered TOTALLY useless and "out of the system" the moment the buyer's title application (in any state that looks into it) is processed.