Mk3 Battery upgrade - Shorai LFX21A6-BS12

850commando · Mar 13, 2019

MexicoMike said:
The original rectifier/zener(s) works fine and it did so on my Commando. I don't see that the podtronics I now use works any better at all than did the Lucas rectifier/Zeners. The reason I went to the Podtronics was simply because my bike had the 3 phase lucas alternator with the associated rectifier/dual zener and the Alton alternator was single phase so I bought the Podtronics single phase for that reason. In actual charging performance, there is virtually no difference in the maximum voltage supplied. If my bike had had the original single phase Lucas alternator/rectifier/Zener when I installed the Alton E-start I would not have bothered with the Podtronics at all. Frankly, I don't see any advantage to it from an operational point of view.

My experience was that over a period of 2yrs i replaced both the zener and rectifier at least once(1975-77), the podtronics and products like it, now 40 yrs later are reliable. that is the best reason to toss the lucas bits.

Fast Eddie · Mar 20, 2019

I recieved the rectifier from Jack, well packed and fast shipping, very happy!

It has a 30a ‘circuit breaker’ in line. If this ‘circuit breaker’ is ever tripped, how is it re-set ?

It’s a big ole thing, can I just replace it with a normal 30amp fuse ?

Mk3 Battery upgrade - Shorai LFX21A6-BS12

oldbeezer · Mar 20, 2019

Fast Eddie said:
I ordered one from Jack at https://www.roadstercycle.com in the end.

They do a good job of describing the differences between the real thing and the fakes

Fast Eddie said:
It has a 30a ‘circuit breaker’ in line. If this ‘circuit breaker’ is ever tripped, how is it re-set ?

I suspect it resets itself when it cools

Fast Eddie said:
It’s a big ole thing, can I just replace it with a normal 30amp fuse ?

I don't see why not. Carry extra fuses for it.

Deets55 · Mar 20, 2019

Fast Eddie said:
I recieved the rectifier from Jack, well packed and fast shipping, very happy!

It has a 30a ‘circuit breaker’ in line. If this ‘circuit breaker’ is ever tripped, how is it re-set ?

It’s a big ole thing, can I just replace it with a normal 30amp fuse ?

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Nigel,
Yes that breaker should reset itself. I didn’t get the wiring package from Jack but I just used a 30 amp blade type fuse. FWIW I didn’t use my existing wire harness, which is pretty much what Jack suggests. Wire the unit directly to the alternator leads and battery. I put a WeatherPac connection on the alternator wires. If I did it again I think I would go with Deutsch (sp?) connectors. They are a little smaller and nicer looking.
Pete

L.A.B. · Mar 21, 2019

Fast Eddie said:
It has a 30a ‘circuit breaker’ in line. If this ‘circuit breaker’ is ever tripped, how is it re-set ?

It’s a big ole thing, can I just replace it with a normal 30amp fuse ?

What current does that "30A" circuit breaker actually trip at?

You'd need to replace it with a 30A blow rated or 15A continuous fuse as the blade type or other 30A continuous fuse blows at 60A.

https://www.arc-components.com/durite-standard-automotive-blade-fuse-30a-green.html
"30A continuous rating, 60A blow rating."

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/product.php/671/standard-blade-fuse
"30 amp continuous, 60 amp fusing Light Green"

Fast Eddie · Mar 21, 2019

I’ll go with what gtiller said earlier:

“i use the modern car type blade fuses - 20amp”

oldbeezer · Mar 21, 2019

I don't care for blade fuses. I have had them blow but was unable to see the tiny fracture in the fuse, I had to check continuity with meter. I prefer the continuous glass tube type that are visibly obvious when they blow.

worntorn · Mar 23, 2019

Solution

Fast Eddie · Mar 23, 2019

That is very clever !

batrider · Mar 23, 2019

I have a little 4 fuse box on mine. It has the LEDs in it next to each blade fuse so if a fuse blows it goes on. I think I modified it for positive ground.

oldbeezer · Mar 23, 2019

Fuses that glow when they blow!!!! I like that

Fast Eddie · Mar 23, 2019

batrider said:
I have a little 4 fuse box on mine. It has the LEDs in it next to each blade fuse so if a fuse blows it goes on. I think I modified it for positive ground.

How does it know?

I mean circuitry wise... how does that work?

I can understand it the other way around, circuit made = LED on, but not this way.

Deets55 · Mar 23, 2019

LED built into fuse holder. When fuse blows it lights up.

oldbeezer · Mar 23, 2019

"We all know, current always chooses the low resistance path to flow. Here the fuse has very low resistance(null- in fact short circuit), hence it doesn't restrict current flow and full of load current flows through fuse only. In other words, LED has same voltage at its both terminals due to fuse(LED needs a breakdown voltage to glow)...
If fuse got burnt, there is only one way(i.e LED)to flow current and also LED gets the required supply voltage to glow(for Red LED-1.8V). Resistor connected in series with LED drops some voltage to prevent the LED from excess voltage and doesn't allow the load to operate."
Thank you Quora

Fast Eddie · Mar 24, 2019

Clever !

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