Log book states 1 Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.

OP, what are the receipts for?
Pistons, bearings & camshaft? Or wheels, gas tank & stanchion tubes?

Internal parts are not considered, only external parts. There is a points system, the more points then the more likely it can be registered as original instead of built up from a mix of parts.

Application for an age related registration.

For Reassembled Original Machines (NOC2)



Where your vehicle does not have a registration number, you may apply for an age related one. This only applies to vehicles which have been reassembled from the original vehicle. All major parts must be from the same period and at least 25 years of age to qualify. If at some time a replacement engine has been required, it is generally accepted that this is permissible or any other major singular part for that matter, other than the frame. It follows that the machine must represent a true likeness of the model specification. Please note that reproduction girder forks are not permissible.



Members £30.00 - Non-Members £60.00


For Bikes restored using parts from multiple sources (NOC3)

Where the motorcycle is re-built from parts from more than one machine or using parts from multiple sources, you can still apply to the DVLA for a registration. The machine will be inspected for the DVLA by NOC Inspectors. Under this scheme the major parts are dated using the built up report V627/1 NOC Clubs form .The machine should reflect a true likeness of the model description if appropriate. The registration will be based on the newest component. The DVLA will authorise a Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to be stamped on the headstock for machines rebuilt from more than one major parts source.. You may, when given the new VIN, be instructed to remove the actual factory stamping in this process (not ratified at the time of writing). Do not do this without contacting the NOC Records Office in all cases.

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Peter Waller said:

Hi all. I have the log book in my name but it says on the log book under the nos of former keepers. 1. Rebuilt- Assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.
The bike has 27,000 miles and is matching numbers engine, gearbox and frame. I have reciepts for when it was rebuilt in 1994 and letters that were sent to the dvla and norton dating to get it registered as a classic bike with age related nos plate. I dont understand the rebuilt from parts bit when the bike is all matching numbers.

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There are a lot of parts that don't have numbers on!

It could have matching numbers and new wheels, forks, swinging arm, seat, tank, cylinders, head.....need I go on...

The numbers identify frame, crankcases and possibly gearbox shell....

Bear in mind I have no idea of what you actually have, it seems you know someone who does.

But what is on the V5 is surely based on what he presented to them and accepted to get the registration completed.

To me, it highlights why valuing a bike at a premium based on 'matching numbers' really makes no sense.

The numbers, or specifically the parts on which the numbers are stamped, may indeed match, but nothing else might!

If you like the bike and feel you paid a fair price, enjoy it.

concours said:

Help us with the use of the word "rebuilt".
And "repaired"
Interchangeable terms in US.

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You may think they are interchangeable, but by definition they are not.

(Though I would observe that many your side of the Atlantic also think it is OK to interchange 'Then' and Than', which really aren't interchangeable.)

'Rebuilt' involves reassembly of parts, using existing parts or adding new parts.

If you disassemble something, you could say the reassembly process is a 'rebuild', there is no guarantee of new or replacement parts being used, even if it is inferred, and we all assume they have been!

'Repaired' includes processes like darning socks, mending holes, filling dents, welding, stuff like that!

Actually the even matching numbers do not demonstrate for certain that it has the original frame, engine or gearbox!

When you buy any of the above new, they are supplied without numbers. Correct procedure is to scrap the old parts and transfer the number to the new replacement parts …

I suspect the guy who registered the bike (or the DVLA) just got it wrong - as it has an age-related plate, that statement is incorrect.
'Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new' traditionally applied when the DVLA issue the vehicle with a 'Q' plate; i.e. 'Questionable age'. This only applies when there are no numbers evident... for whatever reason.
Back in the day, a conversation with a grown-up from the local Vehicle Registration Office could have possibly resolved this, especially if the vehicle identity was evident (as is the case here).
Unfortunately our Wonderful Government closed all the local offices down a few years ago.

I can only suggest that you write to the DVLA as you believe the statement to be incorrect: They've evidently accepted the age of the bike, having issued an age-related number.
It's also a bit disingenuous of the seller to not inform you of the issue before you bought it.

Surely the onus is on the buyer to satisfy themselves (i.e: view the logbook) before purchase??

Not sure but horses and stable doors spring to mind here, but to what end or purpose??

(Just askin' )

B+Bogus said:

I suspect the guy who registered the bike (or the DVLA) just got it wrong - as it has an age-related plate, that statement is incorrect.
'Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new' traditionally applied when the DVLA issue the vehicle with a 'Q' plate; i.e. 'Questionable age'. This only applies when there are no numbers evident... for whatever reason.
Back in the day, a conversation with a grown-up from the local Vehicle Registration Office could have possibly resolved this, especially if the vehicle identity was evident (as is the case here).
Unfortunately our Wonderful Government closed all the local offices down a few years ago.

I can only suggest that you write to the DVLA as you believe the statement to be incorrect: They've evidently accepted the age of the bike, having issued an age-related number.
It's also a bit disingenuous of the seller to not inform you of the issue before you bought it.

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New rules I am afraid supersede this, see my post #22, from the NOC there are now 2 options when applying for age related plate and this is now possible.

For Bikes restored using parts from multiple sources (NOC3)

Which I believe grew from the Land Rover mod taking a plate from a Series 1. 11. or 111 frame and attaching it to a Range Rover frame with V8 engine, fully independent air suspension and disc brakes. All with an old body fitted up top completed the vehicle. So now they are hit by the age of the V8 engine as it goes by newest part for ageing.

Seems like I have opened up a can of worms!! I think I will write to DVLA as B+Bogus suggested! Also unrelated question but the charging light is staying on but the alternator is giving an output with my multimeter connected to its out put wires but no charge going into the battery? Any ideads please

Peter Waller said:

Also unrelated question but the charging light is staying on but the alternator is giving an output with my multimeter connected to its out put wires but no charge going into the battery? Any ideads please

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However, please reply to the thread (link below) that has already been posted.
https://www.accessnorton.com/NortonCommando/commando-charging-issue.35047/

kommando said:

New rules I am afraid supersede this, see my post #22, from the NOC there are now 2 options when applying for age related plate and this is now possible.

For Bikes restored using parts from multiple sources (NOC3)

Which I believe grew from the Land Rover mod taking a plate from a Series 1. 11. or 111 frame and attaching it to a Range Rover frame with V8 engine, fully independent air suspension and disc brakes. All with an old body fitted up top completed the vehicle. So now they are hit by the age of the V8 engine as it goes by newest part for ageing.

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'Parts from multiple sources' surely means a custom build? i.e. something very visibly different to what rolled out of the factory.
I really don't think this stands as an analogy here. The DVLA report is evidently intended to document a vehicle assembled from components from different manufacturers. In our case it could be a Seeley or a Triton.
Transferring VIN plates is colloquially referred to as ringing - Just plain illegal, and very far away from the OP's situation. How comfortable would you be taking an angle grinder to a legitimate Frame ID number?
To go down the NOC3 route for a substantially and demonstrably 1973 Commando would be at best naïve, and at worst just plain stupid.

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'Parts from multiple sources' surely means a custom build? i.e. something very visibly different to what rolled out of the factory.

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No, it could just mean the front wheel is drum when it should be disc which would mean mixed year front end on a 73 which was 100% disc. It should still be made from Commando parts and look like a Commando.

Application for an age related registration.

For Bikes restored using parts from multiple sources (NOC3)

Where the motorcycle is re-built from parts from more than one machine or using parts from multiple sources, you can still apply to the DVLA for a registration. The machine will be inspected for the DVLA by NOC Inspectors. Under this scheme the major parts are dated using the built up report V627/1 NOC Clubs form .The machine should reflect a true likeness of the model description if appropriate.

For the bike in question it has a Roy Bacon dating cert saying its a 74 MK2a but its been rebuilt as a MK2 eg Ham Can filter and peashooters so the NOC could have said its not fully original. How it got to be a 73 is unclear, maybe it was built in 73 as my 74 MK2a was.

Where do you draw the line? In my ownership I've replaced front rim and spokes, clutch, sprag, battery, silencers, tank, seat, various cables... I have no plans to write to the DVLC.

In the OPs case, if it gnaws away at you, contact the DVLC and understand your options, if any. But I doubt your bike is any less a Commando than anyone else's.

You were tricked, but you should have looked at the registration document before buying.

“Built from parts” is worth a discount on the price.