Log book states 1 Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.

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Hi All. I have just purchased a 1973 850 Commando which is matching numbers, but when the log book arrived it said 1 Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.
I know the owner before the one I purchased it from registered it in 1994 when he brought it back from overseas where he had it with him. He had it rebuilt in this country when he brought it back from Africa. The log book also states the year of registration as 1994. The number plate shows an M reg. I have a letter from Roy Bacon motorcycle dating service that says the engine and frame nos are for an 1974 Mk11a. The owner before me wrote to the dvla and changed the tax class to historic so it is now mot and tax free. It is possible the bike was originally exported to Nigeria then reassembled on its return in 1994 and re registered. There are lots of reciepts that came with the bike when it was rebuilt after being imported.
So I am just wondering why the log book states 1 Rebuilt- assembled from parts some or all of which were not new. And the bike is matching numbers frame, engine and gearbox.
Thx for any help!
 
Well, given it's not an aircraft, the logbook is wholly a courtesy.
(Edit, my ignorance)
You don't mention how many miles it's done.
Chassis rebuilt after a crash?Engine rebuilt?
Rebuilt.... because it was worn?
Run out of oil?
Over-revved?
Other than new parts used because they were available? And new spares were not?
 
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concours said:
Well, given it's not an aircraft, the logbook is wholly a courtesy.
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The UK registration document is often referred to as the log book because that's what it was called before it became the vehicle registration document (V5C).
www.gov.uk

Get a vehicle log book (V5C)

Get a replacement log book (V5C) if the original has been lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed, or you have not received one for your new vehicle.
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L.A.B. said:
The UK registration document is often referred to as the log book because that's what it was called before it became the vehicle registration document (V5C).
www.gov.uk

Get a vehicle log book (V5C)

Get a replacement log book (V5C) if the original has been lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed, or you have not received one for your new vehicle.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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I had no idea.... but....
Why? Was there information going back? Regarding crash damage? Like in the US we have "salvage" titles on rebuilt wrecks. I surmise it was the analog history of the vehicle, to be custodianed by the customer?

Thank you.
 
The V5C is the vehicle's identity document and shows who is the 'Registered Keeper' as UK vehicles don't have titles and possession of the V5C is not proof of ownership.

Something like "Rebuilt from parts...etc" recorded on the V5C could not only affect the value but also the insurance rating.
motorway.co.uk

What is a V5C? Ultimate Guide To Your V5 Logbook (2024 Update) | Motorway

All you need to know about the V5C, also known as the V5 form or logbook. Find out about losing a V5C document, change of address and V5C replacement.
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L.A.B. said:
The V5C is the vehicle's identity document and shows who is the 'Registered Keeper' as UK vehicles don't have titles and possession of the V5C is not proof of ownership.

Something like "Rebuilt from parts...etc" recorded on the V5C could not only affect the value but also the insurance rating.
motorway.co.uk

What is a V5C? Ultimate Guide To Your V5 Logbook (2024 Update) | Motorway

All you need to know about the V5C, also known as the V5 form or logbook. Find out about losing a V5C document, change of address and V5C replacement.
motorway.co.uk motorway.co.uk
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Thank you for the schooling.
 
So, likely the bike got banged up a bit, parts were sourced from a breaker, and repaired?
 
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Dumb question. If you don’t have a title and the V5C does not prove ownership than what paper work do you use to prove ownership ?
 
concours said:
I had no idea.... but....
Why? Was there information going back? Regarding crash damage? Like in the US we have "salvage" titles on rebuilt wrecks. I surmise it was the analog history of the vehicle, to be custodianed by the customer?

Thank you.
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You’re right, it’s a strange name. But in the old days it did keep a log of all previous owners, names, addresses, date of purchase / sale etc. So it actually was a kind of log book.
 
bill said:
Dumb question. If you don’t have a title and the V5C does not prove ownership than what paper work do you use to prove ownership ?
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That’s not a dumb question, it’s a stupid situation really. The V5 proves ‘the registered keeper’. A bill of sale is the primary proof of ownership here.
 
bill said:
Dumb question. If you don’t have a title and the V5C does not prove ownership than what paper work do you use to prove ownership ?
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www.carwow.co.uk

Registered keeper vs owner of a car

Ever wondered what's the difference between the registered keeper and the owner of a car? This handy guide will explain.
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"To prove that you own the car,[vehicle] you’ll need some sort of receipt or invoice from when you bought it. Even if you buy the car privately, make sure the seller gives you some sort of written agreement detailing the date of sale, the amount you paid and the method of payment."
 
Hi all. I have the log book in my name but it says on the log book under the nos of former keepers. 1. Rebuilt- Assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.
The bike has 27,000 miles and is matching numbers engine, gearbox and frame. I have reciepts for when it was rebuilt in 1994 and letters that were sent to the dvla and norton dating to get it registered as a classic bike with age related nos plate. I dont understand the rebuilt from parts bit when the bike is all matching numbers.
 
Peter Waller said:
I dont understand the rebuilt from parts bit when the bike is all matching numbers.
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Also applies to forks and wheels. Edit: Although the frame, engine and gearbox from the same bike should have been sufficient.

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Vehicle registration

How to register your vehicle and the cost - new registrations, kit cars, rebuilds, radically altered vehicles, old and classic vehicles, vehicle identification numbers, Q plates
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Peter Waller said:
I dont understand the rebuilt from parts bit when the bike is all matching numbers.
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When applying to the NOC you have 2 options, type 1 is for a complete and original bike, type 2 is for a bike built from parts and the age is related to the youngest part.

Looks like someone applied for type 2 or the NOC on seeing the supporting documentary evidence eg photo's etc issued a type 2 dating cert.

Anyway you are now stuck with 2.
 
As above, for whatever reason at the time this route was chosen as the easiest (or only) option.

Tis what it is.
 
Peter Waller said:
Hi all. I have the log book in my name but it says on the log book under the nos of former keepers. 1. Rebuilt- Assembled from parts some or all of which were not new.
The bike has 27,000 miles and is matching numbers engine, gearbox and frame. I have reciepts for when it was rebuilt in 1994 and letters that were sent to the dvla and norton dating to get it registered as a classic bike with age related nos plate. I dont understand the rebuilt from parts bit when the bike is all matching numbers.
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Help us with the use of the word "rebuilt".
And "repaired"
Interchangeable terms in US.
 
concours said:
So, is this a way to sidestep taxation for an older vehicle?
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No.

My guess is the original owner had issue due to importing it. Maybe there were tax side step reasons due to that? Maybe he had some piece of paperwork missing? Or maybe he just got overwhelmed by the bureaucratic complexity and saw this as an easier route?

Alternatively, maybe at that point in time the bike was very none standard, modern front end etc. Bikes were sometimes inspected when registering them, could simply be that an inspector noticed it was none standard and therefore deemed the ‘built from parts’ more apt.

Unless the original owner / importer could be tracked down there’s no way at all of knowing.

But the bike is registered and is all fully legal and above board, so there really isn’t an issue.
 
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