Increasing rotor-to-fork leg distance

I seem to have a non-standard rotor. It is about 0.058" deeper from mounting surface to outside contact area surface than other Commando rotors I have measured. This leaves the rotor contacting the outside pad and very little slider clearance (0.015").
Are you able to position your front wheel so accurately at the frame centerline that your brake disc is not central in the caliper slot? If the answer is yes, then maybe your rim isn't spoked to the correct offset?

If all of this has been verified, you could have your brake disc ground or milled.

- Knut
 
Are you able to position your front wheel so accurately at the frame centerline that your brake disc is not central in the caliper slot? If the answer is yes, then maybe your rim isn't spoked to the correct offset?

If all of this has been verified, you could have your brake disc ground or milled.

- Knut
The brake disc is definitely not centered in the caliper slot, but all the evidence points to this rotor. I have another Commando to compare it to which does have its disc centered and the rims are in the same position relative to the forks. As stated
Not saying you're wrong just wondering how you are measuring. I recently had one bike with the bearings not homed and another with the wrong spacers - both causing alignment errors. Also a warped disk can confuse measuring.
I place rotor on granite flat surface with the rotor side down and used depth gauge on caliper to measure distance from mounting surface to the granite. Also used micrometer to measure thickness of rotor & flange. I did this with 3 different rotors:


RotorMtg Flange – Rotor outside surfaceRotor thickness Mtg Flange thickness
1 - 0.918”0.263”0.293”
2 - 0.860”0.252”0.271”
3 - 0.870”0.248”0.266”

Hub and bearings were checked as proper setup.
 
The brake disc is definitely not centered in the caliper slot, but all the evidence points to this rotor. I have another Commando to compare it to which does have its disc centered and the rims are in the same position relative to the forks. As stated
The essential parameter is rim to hub flange distance. Rim to fork distance is no usable parameter in this context.
By hub flange I mean the surface which the brake disc bolts to.

- Knut
 
The essential parameter is rim to hub flange distance. Rim to fork distance is no usable parameter in this context.
By hub flange I mean the surface which the brake disc bolts to.

- Knut
This is a moot point for me since my issue is the distance between hub flange to outer rotor surface. I don't think rim position is affecting that and hub spacing is correct.
 
This is a moot point for me since my issue is the distance between hub flange to outer rotor surface. I don't think rim position is affecting that and hub spacing is correct.
I humbly disagree. The first step in a clearance assessment is to ensure the front wheel is central to the frame. That's done by sighting the rim and moving the wheel sideways as needed. Provided the offset is correct, this will determine hub position including rotor flange vs. slider. At this stage, you can assess rotor-to-slider clearance and take the appropriate measures.

- Knut
 
For reference, I've recently collected measurements of hub to frame centre line offset in anticipation of my upcoming wheel build, ignore the rear as it's a T140 hub, but the front is a stock norton disc hub, parallel stanchions and sliders, new bearings properly seated, front axle installed, you can see the hub offset from the frame centre line (hub width is between the flanges) and compare to your situation

Increasing rotor-to-fork leg distance
 
I humbly disagree. The first step in a clearance assessment is to ensure the front wheel is central to the frame. That's done by sighting the rim and moving the wheel sideways as needed. Provided the offset is correct, this will determine hub position including rotor flange vs. slider. At this stage, you can assess rotor-to-slider clearance and take the appropriate measures.

- Knut
I am not following your logic. I could mount the front hub with this rotor without the rim or spokes attached and I would still find that the rotor is not central to the caliper slot and its outside surface is in contact with the pad and barely clear of the slider. That is because the rotor mounting flange thickness is too large. To me, how the rim would be positioned relative to the hub when the wheel is spoked is an important but separate issue.
 
I am width you. My comment was in response to you citing rim to slider distance.

If spacers 06.2448, 06.3918, 06.3919 and spindle 06.0362 are genuine and proper parts, and bearings are in the home position, the fault is probably with the rotor. Checking fork geometry (straightness and parallel run of tubes) should be done to rule out any errors with these parts. Pre-owned parts (sliders in particular) need to be examined for possible alterations.

- Knut
 
For reference, I've recently collected measurements of hub to frame centre line offset in anticipation of my upcoming wheel build, ignore the rear as it's a T140 hub, but the front is a stock norton disc hub, parallel stanchions and sliders, new bearings properly seated, front axle installed, you can see the hub offset from the frame centre line (hub width is between the flanges) and compare to your situation
Edit: This is me being dumb - look two posts later!

I modified your drawing to be sure I understand. Questions: Do I have it right that the red lines I added denote the center of the rim flanges? Are the 15mm/55.5mm and 25mm/46.5mm to those red lines or to the inside of the rim flanges or what? In any case, does it mean that the center of the tire is not on the centerline of the frame?

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Do I have it right that the red lines I added denote the center of the rim flanges?
I assumed they were the fork legs, and the hub is not centred but positioned by the TS spacer and the TS leg, the DS leg floats and is finally positioned by compressing the front forks before the pinch bolt is tightened.
 
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I assumed they were the fork legs, and the hub is not centred but positioned by the TS spacer and the TS leg, the DS leg floats and is finally positioned by compressing the front forks before the pinch bolt is tightened.
Oops! That makes sense - the measurements are way to wide to be the rim - I should have converted to inches so it would have been clear to me that I was being silly!

So, the question should really be: Does it mean that rim offset brings the center of the tire equidistant to the center of the forks and therefore the center of the tire is in in-line with the centerline of the frame?
 
Does it mean that rim offset brings the center of the tire equidistant to the center of the forks and therefore the center of the tire is in in-line with the centerline of the frame?
Yes if trued correctly, but with the nearly vertical Disc side spokes its hard to get it right. I never bother to get a front rim too right on truing ref the offset and do the final true when its mounted between the fork legs and then get it centred.
 
Yes if trued correctly, but with the nearly vertical Disc side spokes its hard to get it right. I never bother to get a front rim too right on truing ref the offset and do the final true when its mounted between the fork legs and then get it centred.
I like that idea. When I build them, I get the disk side almost tight enough with a negative offset of about 1/8" and then pull them to spec with the non-disk side. I can't imagine a wheel harder to get right than a Norton front disk!
 
I don’t know if this will help anyone but I just measured my spare rotor which I had Truedisc grind at the same time as my other . I get .860 “ from the inboard face where it mounts to the hub to the outboard face of the rotor .
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Thickness of rotor after grinding both faces is .255”
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I don’t know if this will help anyone but I just measured my spare rotor which I had Truedisc grind at the same time as my other . I get .860 “ from the inboard face where it mounts to the hub to the outboard face of the rotor .
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Thickness of rotor after grinding both faces is .255”
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Yes, very helpful. Your measurements are consistent with what I measured for all but the rotor I was trying to use, which had 0.918" from the inboard face where it mounts to the hub to the outboard face of the rotor. And that was the reason for my clearance problem. When I get it back from TrueDisk in a few days it should be much closer to 0.860".
 
I assumed they were the fork legs, and the hub is not centred but positioned by the TS spacer and the TS leg, the DS leg floats and is finally positioned by compressing the front forks before the pinch bolt is tightened.
correct, the grey bars are actually the sliders
 
correct, the grey bars are actually the sliders
So, I'm still being thick, are the measurements to the inside of the sliders or to the center of them or what? I'm asking because I've fought two front ends lately and in both cases was looking for a double-check. Kind of silly since my rider was sitting right there with everything original!
 
I like that idea. When I build them, I get the disk side almost tight enough with a negative offset of about 1/8" and then pull them to spec with the non-disk side. I can't imagine a wheel harder to get right than a Norton front disk!
I use wood stickers under the rims, thickness is the offset for the disc side, and wheel is laced with that face down. I find that if I keep checking that the rim is resting on the stickers as I add spokes the final offset when mounted is pretty darn close... it's what works for me anyway
 
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