Hinckley triumph moving production overseas

worntorn said:
I've looked all over mine for a made in UK label, haven't found one.
Where is the Made in UK label located?

Glen[/QUO
I stand corrected
I assumed that they would have had a label stating made in England or the UK somewhere?
What do they have on them as the country of origin?
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Both mine have green “Triumph ok” stickers all over the place and the stickers have the Hinckley contact details
Speed Twin - Thailand built/assembled
Speed Triple - Hinckley built/assembled
Neither has a sticker saying made in U.K. (as far as I have noticed)
 
There are those 50 UK engineers who were employed for 5 years working on the design of the new Bonneville line.
Maybe that 12 million GBP or so in UK wages paid out to create the bikes would permit one to keep a triangular engine logo?


Glen
 
worntorn said:
There are those 50 UK engineers who were employed for 5 years working on the design of the new Bonneville line.
Maybe that 12 million GBP or so in UK wages paid out to create the bikes would permit one to keep a triangular engine logo?


Glen
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Ha ha don't think we are gonna agree here
It's my personal opinion that a bike made in another country shouldn't have the" triumph " name on the tank
I'm truly gutted about Norton going tits up and now triumph stopping major manufacturing in this country
I don't mind a triangular engine logo, I don't think it should have a union flag on its logo any more it should have a Thai logo what would be so wrong about that
 
baz said:
It's my personal opinion that a bike made in another country shouldn't have the" triumph " name on the tank
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Well it is made by the Triumph motorcycle company so they can say that! I do agree however. That the use of the Union Emblem is misleading and goods (not just vehicles) should clearly state country of manufacture somewhere on the product. I bought a Triumph to support British manufacturing - before I knew they were made elsewhere ditto for my mini (which has a plate saying assembled elsewhere...)
 
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baz said:
Ha ha don't think we are gonna agree here
It's my personal opinion that a bike made in another country shouldn't have the" triumph " name on the tank
I'm truly gutted about Norton going tits up and now triumph stopping major manufacturing in this country
I don't mind a triangular engine logo, I don't think it should have a union flag on its logo any more it should have a Thai logo what would be so wrong about that
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Perhaps a logo with Thai flag on one side, Brit flag on the other to represent the British design and Thai construction.
I've not seen an Asian designed bike with such near perfect styling ( for my tastes). Most look like Transformers.
I've not seen or owned a British built bike with such high quality assembly work.
My British assembled Daytona had some body panels that didn't fit together neatly. None of that on the Thrux.
Mechanically the Daytona has been faultless ,but the fairing assembly and fitment work left a lot to be desired.
It's as though the person doing it didn't care.
Ironically, crashing into a deer got rid of most of that. I spent some time making the new fairing fit properly.

Glen
 
worntorn said:
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Perhaps a logo with Thai flag on one side, Brit flag on the other to represent the British design and Thai construction.
I've not seen an Asian designed bike with such near perfect styling ( for my tastes). Most look like Transformers.
I've not seen or owned a British built bike with such high quality assembly work.
My British assembled Daytona had some body panels that didn't fit together neatly. None of that on the Thrux.
Mechanically the Daytona has been faultless ,but the fairing assembly and fitment work left a lot to be desired.
It's as though the person doing it didn't care.
Ironically, crashing into a deer got rid of most of that. I spent some time making the new fairing fit properly.

Glen
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That's a good idea
I've ridden some Hinckley triumphs I think they are superb bikes especially the early triples
It's the flag waving bollox I don't like personally
 
worntorn said:
Maybe

Perhaps a logo with Thai flag on one side, Brit flag on the other to represent the British design and Thai construction.

Glen
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And maybe a cute Panda bear between to represent where most of the parts are manufactured.:cool:
Would be applicable for most things these days.
 
I don't know where you get the idea with China made as far as I know Thailand is not part of China and as far as I know Triumph is a brand name not the location where its made, England is not called Triumph, I also have a lathe and milling machine made in China and tooling made in China which is 1/3 of the cost to buy British or US made tooling and machines, so far the quality hasn't let me down and my $500 mig/arc welder has done a lot of hard work and just keeps going, its so compack, and easy to use.

Ashley
 
ashman said:
I don't know where you get the idea with China made as far as I know Thailand is not part of China and as far as I know Triumph is a brand name not the location where its made, England is not called Triumph, I also have a lathe and milling machine made in China and tooling made in China which is 1/3 of the cost to buy British or US made tooling and machines, so far the quality hasn't let me down and my $500 mig/arc welder has done a lot of hard work and just keeps going, its so compack, and easy to use.

Ashley
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Ash, I think that this thread and the “would a Chinese Norton be that bad” thread have become interchangeable in that many want British branded bikes to be made in Britain - of course many others could not give a rats ass!
 
In Australia, we have just received the news that General Motors Holden is finished. A lot of people had brand loyalty, but it seems that does not mean anything these days. I have never owned a Holden. The last ones were apparently pretty good, but if they were - they were a long time coming. The silly bastards do it to themselves when they cheap-skate. I also own Chinese tools - when they break, you simply throw them away. You should see what has been thrown down our local council tips. The freight trains roll past our towns every day carrying Ikea furniture on it's way to the council tips, with a short pause in customers' homes.
The word 'quality' is ill-defined in ISO9000 - there is no mention of 'attention to detail'. Anything can be 'fit for purpose'.
When those international standards were being developed back in the 70s, The American industrial lobby groups were very active.
 
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These days in Australia, it is almost impossible to buy a decent piece of alloy steel. And we have never had the equivalent of Rolls-Royce Hiduminium casting aluminium. What have the Chinese got ?
 
acotrel said:
What have the Chinese got ?
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A lot of the time, they don’t know!

You get some samples and they’re fine, you order a big batch and it’s different.

You buy something without certificates and you might as well just buy blind.

You buy something with certificates, and you might have forged certificates.

It’s a VERY big problem there.
 
Fast Eddie said:
A lot of the time, they don’t know!

You get some samples and they’re fine, you order a big batch and it’s different.

You buy something without certificates and you might as well just buy blind.

You buy something with certificates, and you might have forged certificates.

It’s a VERY big problem there.
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A mate of mine used to work at factory making printing machines the pumps for these came from China
If they ordered a 1000 pumps they would often send 1100 to allow for several pumps not working
 
The Chinese have the dc4127 sprag that made my electric starter function on the MK3 850.
The $180 UK offering lasted 2 days, the $17 Chinese unit has lasted 2 years so far and is working fine.
I started a thread about this once the sprag had done 100 or so starts. Many others purchased them and so far there havent been any failures reported.
Here is a case where the one that is labelled
"Made in England" is not fit for purpose.
On top of that it is over ten times the cost of the Chinese item, which is made correctly and from the right metals.
It's not just on my bike, the failure rate of those UK sprags is horrendous.

So you never know, it doesn't work to generalize that if it comes from China, it's junk.
Its also not accurate to think that if it is UK, European or North American made it will be high quality.
Those places are turning out plenty of poorly made products as well.
China has stepped up their game a lot, but the reputation for poor quality goods will linger for at least a generation.
My Parents avoided purchasing Japanese items for the same reason.

Glen
 
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worntorn said:
The Chinese have the dc4127 sprag that made my electric starter function on the MK3 850.
The $180 UK offering lasted 2 days, the $17 Chinese unit has lasted 2 years so far and is working fine.
I started a thread about this once the sprag had done 100 or so starts. Many others purchased them and so far there havent been any failures reported.
Here is a case where the one that is labelled
"Made in England" is not fit for purpose.
On top of that it is over ten times the cost of the Chinese item, which is made correctly and from the right metals.
It's not just on my bike, the failure rate of those UK sprags is horrendous.

So you never know, it doesn't work to generalize that if it comes from China, it's junk.
Its also not accurate to think that if it is UK, European or North American made it will be high quality.
Those places are turning out plenty of poorly made products as well.
China has stepped up their game a lot, but the reputation for poor quality goods will linger for at least a generation.
My Parents avoided purchasing Japanese items for the same reason.

Glen
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That is the joke. While we had tariff protection and subsidies, our own manufacturers sold us crap. Now when they have to compete with China, they are not offering anything better. So we might just as well buy on price. The main problem is that Australians have no appreciation of quality, so moving up-market in manufacturing has no effect. We have had 'buy Australian-made programmes. They might save a few jobs, but in the end Chinese is the same crap but cheaper and sometimes better.
 
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