Grand Pual bargain basment Cdo

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Coco said:
Now hurry up and finish that production racer!
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If you think a house is expensive, throw in a kid too!

Then we'll see who get's done first. :mrgreen:

Remember, I only got the bike back a year ago and even then the frame wasn't painted until March. I've only been building for 3 months. I think I'm doing pretty good. It would have been faster but the furnace decided to take a crap in the middle of the winter, so for some reason the wife decided the bike money was better spent on heat. My suggestions for more blankets didn't go over very well...
 
swooshdave said:
Coco said:
Now hurry up and finish that production racer!
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If you think a house is expensive, throw in a kid too!

Then we'll see who get's done first. :mrgreen:

Remember, I only got the bike back a year ago and even then the frame wasn't painted until March. I've only been building for 3 months. I think I'm doing pretty good. It would have been faster but the furnace decided to take a crap in the middle of the winter, so for some reason the wife decided the bike money was better spent on heat. My suggestions for more blankets didn't go over very well...
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Yup, same old story. Life comes first. If I had a kid, I'd be a long way off from finishing.
 
I can vouch for the time constraints imposed by having a 4-year-old daughter.

These kids seem to need new clothes and shoes every other week! And don't even get me started on FOOD! I don't know where she packs the stuff away...
 
Well there ya go, life a beach and then ya die, what
it worth to ya to have your own highs inbetween?

Its mainly takes time to recover or pay for good parts,
assembly ain't too bad AFTER all the treads and rusted
stuff cleaned up.

My first Combat that became Ms Peel tool 5 yrs and many $1000's
d/t many injured items found. Engline scared me because
it went together in a short afternoon.
I used to be amazed at reports of completed bike in
a week, but now see if just assembly could do it in days.

But it'd not be on scale of grandpauls wonder.

BTW grandpaul, you've got the right American attitude
but not the truth in what status of citizenship to
claim. Untied States ain't same as Untied States of
America. Ping if interested. Getting out United States
resident and living on the land in United States of America
has put me in jurisdiction outside of IRS so can afford
way way more bike parts and other stuff.

British subject work till lunch daily to cover taxes,
persons with income connected to US work till
summer to cover IRS blood letting and don't have
a thing to do with paying for Gov't services
or infra structure. Search Regans 1984 Grace Commission
Report to find out why national debt not being paid down. Ugh.

hobot




hobot
 
Hobot, I know the truth, and it has set me free.

As to the rest of it, I sell or don't sell, and I still have to work tomorrow if I'm alive. So, what does it matter?

Once of these days I'll win the lottery and spend the rest of my days RIDING instead of working. Fix ALL of my bikes, buty a few more, then just ride and ride. If something breaks, hop on a different bike. Maybe even hire a jobless Phd to drive a chase vehicle with a couple of spare bikes on it.
 
ludwig said:
Surfdog said:
... and throw in all those nights in the garage etc etc. ..
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Tell me about it ..
The seller claims " over 150 h " building time ..
I must be a complete idiot putting more time than that in an engine allone , while having a fully equipped workshop ..
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So I talked with a friend of mine who does restorations. He said for a unit Triumph a complete restoration is about 100 hrs. That's no expense spared, stripped down to every last nut and bolt. And when he is done they are perfect.

http://triumphmotorcycles.typepad.com/m ... 16500.html

Grand Pual bargain basment Cdo


Like I said, it's how familiar you are with the bikes that determines how fast you can do it.
 
ludwig said:
swooshdave said:
.. And when he is done they are perfect.
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Dismantle , farm out , assemble with off the shelf parts ..done !
Same shiny POS like the day it left the factory .
Ride it fast for a few 1000 mls and it will be covered in oil , rattling itself to pieces ... 60-ties all over again .: Perfect !
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I agree 100% with Ludwig
Putting a bike together standard is straightforward but start to modifie and it becomes another game all together
But why modifie ? Because they were not put together correctly (tolerances etc ) in the first place
Blueprinting takes time .To put a head on a barrell it takes me about 4 to 5 go,s No not because I do not know how to put it on but to check clearances etc shave head , clearance valve to piston ,squish ........
My engines do not leak and start easyly (not 12 kicks etc ) but take a lot of time to put them right
Ask somebody like Norman White why he is not rich although buying an engine or bike of him LOOKS expensive
 
Ive got to agree with Ludwig! Finesse takes time,fixing mass productions imperfections and the tricks Ludwig keeps producing, alot of worthy time spent pondering I think!

And GP, I think that stands for "Grand Purveyor" of fine restorations judging by whats on ebay. Great stuff GrandPaul!!

Rgds Foxy
 
ludwig said:
swooshdave said:
.. And when he is done they are perfect.
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Dismantle , farm out , assemble with off the shelf parts ..done !
Same shiny POS like the day it left the factory .
Ride it fast for a few 1000 mls and it will be covered in oil , rattling itself to pieces ... 60-ties all over again .: Perfect !
At least they have the merit that , unlike the Frankenstein bike this thread is about , that they are restored to original condition .
If kept under a cloth , maybe they are not a bad investment ? .
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If Paul had restored that bike to stock (no mods) it would sell a lot faster. Do you really think most owners even put 1000 miles on their Nortons?
 
swooshdave said:
I was going to that a chase vehicle piloted by an aspiring centerfold but to each their own. :-)
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i don't think she could load and unload bikes, so what good would that be?
 
I have no problem thowing the BS flag.

While a unit Triumph is significantly easier to rebuild than a Commando, 100 hrs for a complete restoration is complete BS. I think what he meant to say is 100 hours assembly time...from parts to a street worthy motorcycle.

Consider just the following four items and how long they take...complete disassembly of the bike (including cleaning everything), strip/prep/paint, polish the aluminum covers, rebuilding the wheels (hubs/spokes/rims). 40 to 50 hours if you're working fast and not paying attention to details.

I'm not afraid to say that I know the Commando very well, and for a perfect bike, no expense spared, it takes 200-250 hours, and that's not counting the services that are subed out like paint work, engine machine work, wheel building, etc.

This will produce a bike that will win best of show but can still be ridden 1,000s of hard miles per year without issue. If it's done right the Commando needs nothing more than the oil changed, valves checked, and keep the gas tank filled.

I'm a firm believe that bikes should be built to be ridden...and when they're built correctly, they inherently become show winners. Show it once, take the award home, then ride the bike. I don't care for "show" bikes...what a waste.
 
swooshdave said:
ludwig said:
swooshdave said:
.. And when he is done they are perfect.
Click to expand...
Dismantle , farm out , assemble with off the shelf parts ..done !
Same shiny POS like the day it left the factory .
Ride it fast for a few 1000 mls and it will be covered in oil , rattling itself to pieces ... 60-ties all over again .: Perfect !
At least they have the merit that , unlike the Frankenstein bike this thread is about , that they are restored to original condition .
If kept under a cloth , maybe they are not a bad investment ? .
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If Paul had restored that bike to stock (no mods) it would sell a lot faster. Do you really think most owners even put 1000 miles on their Nortons?
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I hope most put more than 1,000 miles on their Commando per year. When someone says' "I took my Commando out for a ride.", I would assume they're putting 50-100 miles on the clock. Start tallying that up a few times a week and a couple good 500-1000 miles days and you've easily got 5,000 miles in a matter of months.

Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that "owners" are actually "riders". :(
 
Since I have several bikes, only a few of them get long miles on them. Why ride an unconfortable bike on a 400 - 600 mile day, when you can ride a comfortable one?
 
swooshdave said:
Do you really think most owners even put 1000 miles on their Nortons?
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I put 1000 on mine this past winter. Now that warmer weather is here, the odometer is steadily climbing. If I just wanted to look at it in the garage, I'd go to a museum. It'd be a lot cheaper... :D
 
One thing for sure, my '75 Mark III Interstate can easily do 600 mile days; I just want to fit up one of my spare quarter fairings to it next time out. 14 hours of wind blast at 80MPH is not as enjoyable as you might think.
 
snare1998 said:
swooshdave said:
Do you really think most owners even put 1000 miles on their Nortons?
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I put 1000 on mine this past winter. Now that warmer weather is here, the odometer is steadily climbing. If I just wanted to look at it in the garage, I'd go to a museum. It'd be a lot cheaper... :D
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As soon as my throttle cables arrive I'm ready to start mine up and proceed to turn it into a daily driver. I come home at lunch every day from work so there will be at least 20 miles a day right there, not including what I need to do after work hours or weeknight cruises and weekend rides. I rebuilt my Commando to ride it and not look at it. Rainy days I'll drive the car to work but the Commando is going to be my daily transportation from May to October. Well, this year from mid June to October :roll: but next year May to October.
 
Coco said:
As soon as my throttle cables arrive I'm ready to start mine up and proceed to turn it into a daily driver. I come home at lunch every day from work so there will be at least 20 miles a day right there, not including what I need to do after work hours or weeknight cruises and weekend rides. I rebuilt my Commando to ride it and not look at it. Rainy days I'll drive the car to work but the Commando is going to be my daily transportation from May to October. Well, this year from mid June to October but next year May to October.
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Another drawback for me with regards to riding time - I work at home, so NO COMMUTE!
 
grandpaul said:
Coco said:
As soon as my throttle cables arrive I'm ready to start mine up and proceed to turn it into a daily driver. I come home at lunch every day from work so there will be at least 20 miles a day right there, not including what I need to do after work hours or weeknight cruises and weekend rides. I rebuilt my Commando to ride it and not look at it. Rainy days I'll drive the car to work but the Commando is going to be my daily transportation from May to October. Well, this year from mid June to October but next year May to October.
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Another drawback for me with regards to riding time - I work at home, so NO COMMUTE!
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True, but working from home won't kill you (usually anyway) while a commute with dumb bastards in cars just might.
 
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