Ducati Electrics

storm42

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I bought a non running Ducati Darmah earlier this year and have been having a play with it recently. I got it running as soon as I got it home but the charge light wasn't going out until about 4500 revs were dialled in, I was a bit busy then so it had to wait.

I was checking it out a couple of weeks ago and found that the alternator was going to ground, it shouldn't. I had a quick look round and a replacement didn't fall into my lap so I thought I would have a go at re-winding it. The wire on it was a mess and unfortunately I didn't take a picture, but once I ripped all the wire off I started taking pictures.

This is as I started the cleanup.

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The edges of where the wire goes were a bit sharp, so I went round them with file.

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I then wrapped the poles in cloth tape and started winding them up, 16 turns on each, first clockwise and the anti clockwise and repeat.

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Fitted back in the outer cover after giving it a coat of electrical varnish.

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Initial run up was a bit disappointing as the gen light was still staying on until about 2500 rpm. I put a meter across the battery and that was going to 13,5V at a about 2000rpm but carried on to over 17V as the revs went up, the reg/rect was buggered.

A couple of days later a new reg/rect turned up and properly limited the high revs voltage to 14.2V and just over 13V at just under 2000rpm, happy days. If I ignored the gen light not going out until about 2200rpm.

The light problem turned out to be old wires. the signal wire for the light controller picks up from a fuse and goes round Italy and then through the ignition switch before it presents its voltage to the controller. Without the engine on, the battery measured at 12.4V and the signal wire measured 11.1V.

I binned that wire and took a signal straight from the reg/rect output, through a relay and then to the controller. Bingo, light out at tick-over, it does come back on if I put the lights on but goes out at about 1100rpm, so the jobs a gudun.

It took a couple of evenings but the actual wind only took just over an hour. the wire, varnish and tape came to about £15. I have since found alternators for sale around the £130 ish mark but I hadn't done this before and was curious, lets see how long it lasts.
 
A great result. You are indeed a patient fellow. I was recently toying with buying a Bevel Duke, but after stripping my mates 860GT to replace the 4th gear & seeing the price of parts, thought better of it. Nice things to ride though.

Martyn.
 
The bits are either expensive or unavailable. I took it for a 50 mile round trip today and the electrics seem ok so far. I cannot say the same for the old tyres on our cold wet Derbyshire lanes though, I suppose I should check if there is any air in the tyres.

It doesn't have the same grunt as my Commando (920) but the engine is very smooth, the clutch starts to slip as the speed went over a jail sentence, so, new tyres, clutch, brake pads and a nice warm dry road and I think it will then be a nice bike to ride.
 
The bits are either expensive or unavailable. I took it for a 50 mile round trip today and the electrics seem ok so far. I cannot say the same for the old tyres on our cold wet Derbyshire lanes though, I suppose I should check if there is any air in the tyres.

It doesn't have the same grunt as my Commando (920) but the engine is very smooth, the clutch starts to slip as the speed went over a jail sentence, so, new tyres, clutch, brake pads and a nice warm dry road and I think it will then be a nice bike to ride.
Be careful - bevel Ducati's tend to be very addictive. And expensive.... :cool:
 
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That's really nice work! Do you have any pics of the other side by any chance?
 
A great result. You are indeed a patient fellow. I was recently toying with buying a Bevel Duke, but after stripping my mates 860GT to replace the 4th gear & seeing the price of parts, thought better of it. Nice things to ride though.

Martyn.
I had an 860 GT they are great to ride
Not so great in town but out on a fast twisty A road I thought mine was unbeatable at the time!
 
I like Ducati …. a very nice job with the rewire , looks like it be quite awhile before you have any trouble
 
Hello Storm,

I've all but finished a '78 Drama.
Have you had to rebuild the starter motor ?
Mine can't get the motor to rotate over compression.....
New battery and solenoid, connected jumper leads from a car battery just to see if the new battery was no good. same result.
Starter spins ok with the plugs removed, but slow compared to modern starters. From memory they were always slow.

Any help gratefully accepted.

Regards
Graeme
 
Just wanted to see how you got the wires back to the collective points, but no worries.
Ah, got you. There are no collective points, the first pole was wound clockwise and then straight to the next one wound anti clockwise and so on until i got all the way round to the beginning, it is single phase.

A three phase wind would have had links as such but would have needed an amount of poles divisible by 3, this one had 14 poles so no option to make it three phase.
 
Hello Storm,

I've all but finished a '78 Drama.
Have you had to rebuild the starter motor ?
Mine can't get the motor to rotate over compression.....
New battery and solenoid, connected jumper leads from a car battery just to see if the new battery was no good. same result.
Starter spins ok with the plugs removed, but slow compared to modern starters. From memory they were always slow.

Any help gratefully accepted.

Regards
Graeme
The starter on mine does turn the engine no problem so I haven't needed to look at it. It is slow though, and initially it was a sod to start the bike, I rigged a relay up to the starter solenoid to bypass the ballast resistors that are in line with the coils and it now fires at the first touch of the button.

In your case, I would start with a strip and clean of the starter motor, I believe the brushes are available, and possibly recon motors.
 
Interestingly both of my almost new Ducati , well ‘07 & 09 both have slow spinning starters , they always start first try which surprises me often , so far no electrical troubles , in fact after reg. main. just the one rear brake switch failure on ST3s , that’s it to this point …..
 
Good fuelling I guess, my race bike was a sod to start when I had the Amals on it, it needed to be on the rollers, when I changed to Mikunis, it will go with a push. my Ducati has a very good stable tick-over and I think this helps it start easily with the slow starter speed.
 
Thanks, I don't really know what I am doing, I did a bit of reading and it was a bit of a nothing to loose job.
I wonder what would happen if you just used 12 of the poles and made it 3 phase?
 
Thank you Storm,
I stripped the starter motor and found dirty and scratched commutator, cleaned, and resurfaced in the lathe.
One of the brush screws loose,
Both brushes worn on an angle, I'll buy new brushes.
And the brush end shaft shims, and "C" clip not fitted correctly.
Wait now for brushes to arrive then re fit and see what happens.

Regards
Graeme
 
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