Another new Triumph, and a surprize one at that!

It seems Ducati are also bringing out a Moto Cross bike...


They must both see a big potential market to make such a large investment.

Craig said:

My first motocross bike ‘78 kx125 was $800 cash , only used once before , seller just wanted it gone … that was good value even at the time , barrel of fun too

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I bought a Yamaha RT360 for $75 in Lake Tahoe and rode it for 2 years in the Pine Nut mountains

What wins on Sunday sells on Monday.

Actually, would be a Tuesday in the US on the West coast, since most motorcycle retailers are closed on Mondays.

If Triumph can win world class race events with their riders on this little 4-stroke, they will sell em.

Story time: For anyone that has never taken off road or MX seriously, you have to be in amazing shape to race one and be competitive. I used to think I was in pretty good shape in my 40's, then I raced a YZ250 in an AMA Hare Scrambles mixed Pros and Sportsman event. I could not believe how fast those 20 something Pros were. I think I got lapped twice in 4 laps around a 6 mile Hare Scrambles course and I felt like I'd been put in a commercial clothes dryer for 2 hours when I got done. Never raced off rode again. Instead, I took up dual sport riding in AMA events that were just for fun. Anybody with a couple of years experience in the dirt in reasonable shape could ride a 250 or 500 mile dual sport event. That was fun.

https://www.rushlane.com/triumph-speed-400-swingarm-breaks-owner-shares-details-12483958.html
I expect the owner was surprised by this
Hopefully they'll sort it out very quickly if it's not just a one off

The feature does mention that the bike was dropped, and there does appear to be some sort of impact mark close to the fracture. All the same, it looks pretty fragile.

One side of the story

He further explained that this incident happened on a smooth tarmac while returning to Manali from Solang and was not an off-road situation. Mr Sood further claims that the motorcycle was not abused at all and there is nothing that hit this swingarm to break it.

and the other


“The incident concerning said customer has been brought to our attention by our service centre. Upon our internal investigation, it has been noticed that there has been damage to the bike that seems to have been caused a severe accident upon not observing black ice, resulting in extensive damage to 10+ parts.

Hmm the tarmac was so smooth because it was covered in black ice .

They unveiled it last night in Manhattan at Triumphs British Invasion event. Easily caused the most excitement of the model line. Second most exciting was the Thruxton FE (final edition) which they said would no longer be in the lineup after 2024.

Fast Eddie said:

So…

The top riders won’t be buying new Triumphs cos they’re not good enough...

Everyone else won’t be buying them cos they’re too expensive…

Wonder if Triumph realise how monumentally they’ve cocked up here ??

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I've related part of this before but here goes. My grandson talked me out a BSA B50MX I had sitting around since the 70s. Although probably originally sold mostly to dirt bike riders, it was an MX bike meant for race. On his second official heat ever, he was the youngest rider on the oldest bike and he won his heat (6 riders). The stock front forks worked properly (I rebuild them), the original rear shocks were on the bike, and it was running the original engine and tires that sat from around 1974 (yes, I know the tires part is crazy but to teach him he had to pay for everything but the bike itself).

So, like many things in racing, it's more about ball size than the equipment! Look at the senior TT. Most of the bikes can due 200mph, but most do not win!

marshg246 said:

I've related part of this before but here goes. My grandson talked me out a BSA B50MX I had sitting around since the 70s. Although probably originally sold mostly to dirt bike riders, it was an MX bike meant for race. On his second official heat ever, he was the youngest rider on the oldest bike and he won his heat (6 riders). The stock front forks worked properly (I rebuild them), the original rear shocks were on the bike, and it was running the original engine and tires that sat from around 1974 (yes, I know the tires part is crazy but to teach him he had to pay for everything but the bike itself).

So, like many things in racing, it's more about ball size than the equipment! Look at the senior TT. Most of the bikes can due 200mph, but most do not win!

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Same with any kind of motorcycle competition Greg: the rider makes the biggest difference.

However, put two fairly equal top riders side by side, then the one with the better bike has a way better chance of winning.

In any competitive endeavour, the better you are, the bigger difference things make. Even the small things.

For ME… a new factory supplied and prepared motocross bike would not get me any further or faster than a BSA Bantam with rock hard 50 year old knobbly tires on it! Actually that’s not true, it would definitely put me in a ditch, and in casualty sooner !

But, if a top rider wants to win, he needs a top class bike. Otherwise he comes second place to the other top rider on the better bike.

speirmoor said:

They unveiled it last night in Manhattan at Triumphs British Invasion event. Easily caused the most excitement of the model line. Second most exciting was the Thruxton FE (final edition) which they said would no longer be in the lineup after 2024.

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I don’t get the excitement around the Thruxton FE personally. It is a stock Thruxton, with a slightly different paint job, and an unexciting one at that.

IMO it is a real shame they didn’t try a bit harder and do something like they did with the TFC version and actually make it ‘special’.

Having said that, I’m sure they’ll sell ‘em all. So I guess they’re right at the end of the day !

My thoughts too on the Thruxton FE. I'm glad you said it and not me, not sure I could handle another shot of ridicule!

Glen

Well, on the other hand I guess I’m pleased they didn’t make it more special… it has probably saved me £15k+ !!

I'm not really a fan of carbon fibre however I saw one of the TFC bikes in the flesh last year. Very impressive. Also 109 bhp iirc, whereas the FE and all RS models are 104 bhp. Not sure where they found the extra 5 bhp. Probably it's just done with the ECU settings as it's said that Triumph left plenty of unused potential in these 1200s.

Glen

Fast Eddie said:

Well, on the other hand I guess I’m pleased they didn’t make it more special… it has probably saved me £15k+ !!

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They said it would be $17K in the USA and only one per dealership

speirmoor said:

They said it would be $17K in the USA and only one per dealership

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You mean the boring FE version?

What I mean is I’m glad they didn’t do a genuinely special version cos I’d have been very tempted !

Actually I’m still trying hard to resist the temptation of a TFC version, they come up from time to time, there’s a few for sale right now here.

Most MX manufactures who make motorcross bikes also make endro bikes of the same model made the same but with higher gearing and in most cases an ES and can be registered for the road, but are far from being a road/dirt bike, more getting short roads trips to get to the bush or dirt bike riding areas, I have a 2006 Honda CRF450X and is the same as the CRF450R just with an added light kit and I paid $11k AUS new back in 2007, but new bikes and cars are highly taxed here in Aus, but its a fun and very powerful in the dirt and doing 5th gear power wheel stands is easy to do and I have powered on the back wheel from 90kmph to 120kmph with plenty more to go but that's pretty good in the dirt with lots of bush around you.
Riding in our state forest here in my home state your bike has to be registered by law but I only had mine registered for the first 12 months, let them try and catch me lol, the rangers have to be good to catch me.
I trailer my dirt bikes when we go out but we have a great dirt bike park called Manar Park its a 180k acre cattle and dirt bike property with one way Endro tracks, mountain hill climbs and even bridges to cross the barbwire fences around the paddocks, has 3 major camp areas as well 4 motocross tracks and some trails will take 4 hrs to get around, has 4 or 5 major endro trails and also has kids learning tracks.
Nothing better than playing in the dirt and I been doing it for 50+ years and mostly on Honda dirt bikes, have always had one since I was 15 yrs old.

Ashley

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30556647...gGXShiHQWK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY another new triumph

Rode out late afternoon on the Commando. Bumped into a fellow out with his new bike on his first ride out
on it. Surprise, new to me, a Triumph single 400. He got it because it only weighs in at 375 pounds. 50 pounds
less than his current retro Kawasaki. I'd be looking for 350 or less in the weigh department.
Was surprised that the passers by were more taken by my old shoe than the new Triumph.

Onder said:

Rode out late afternoon on the Commando. Bumped into a fellow out with his new bike on his first ride out
on it. Surprise, new to me, a Triumph single 400. He got it because it only weighs in at 375 pounds. 50 pounds
less than his current retro Kawasaki. I'd be looking for 350 or less in the weigh department.
Was surprised that the passers by were more taken by my old shoe than the new Triumph.

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Why surprised?

The Commando looks like a proper classic bike, even to none bikers. I had that demonstrated recently when I showed a none biking work mate some pics of my commando and he said “That’s just beautiful, even to someone who doesn’t know anything about bikes’.

Whereas, take Triumph off of the tank of that 400 and it’s just another one of many.

Thats not taking anything away from the Triumph though, decent power, decent weight, E start, 100% reliability (presumably) there’s a lot there that’s good for aging classic bike riders and young newcomers alike.

AGING classic rider? ....why I'll have to take you out behind the woodshed you whippersnapper.
...now where is my damn walker...