Amal Premier Float Test with Fuel on Jig--Way High!

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I posted a bunch of pics on this same issue thread

 
Kara, anytime you are ready to get back to the cold and sooty problem I am all ears.
I'm in the same boat you are. :-(
 
Kara, anytime you are ready to get back to the cold and sooty problem I am all ears.
I'm in the same boat you are. :-(
Hi Onder,
Greg Marsh offered to look at my Sooty Premier carb and since I have the old carb working OK , I am going to ship it to him and see what he thinks. I really want to be able to enjoy the bike during the short decent weather season we get in Portland, OR. and leave the carb problem till fall. So unless there is a Revelation or the Annunciation or a laying on of hands, the sooty carb won't go back on test until November!
Sincerely,
Kara
 
Hi Onder,
Greg Marsh offered to look at my Sooty Premier carb and since I have the old carb working OK , I am going to ship it to him and see what he thinks. I really want to be able to enjoy the bike during the short decent weather season we get in Portland, OR. and leave the carb problem till fall. So unless there is a Revelation or the Annunciation or a laying on of hands, the sooty carb won't go back on test until November!
Sincerely,
Kara
That Marsh chap seems a good egg indeed!
 
Hi Everybody,
This is a continuation of my AMAL COLD and SOOTY thread. I built a test jig to hold a bowl level and retain the float pivot bar whilst filling it with fuel from a similar hydrostatic head as it would be filled from a gas tank. I took an old Amal bowl with the brown plastic float which mechanically measured reasonably close to .080" to .100" below the lip. On the test jig, filling it with fuel, the actual fuel fill was about .220" below the lip. So far so good... I next took the bowl from my COLD and SOOTY right hand Premiere. It is fitted with the aluminum needle and black Stay-Up float. It mechanically measured in the realm of .080" below the lip . On the fuel jig, fuel filled to almost exactly the same level --or .080" below the lip. There was almost no difference. This is certainly above the Amal spec that the fuel fill should be .210" +/- .040" below the lip. Maybe this is related to my cold and sooty troubles.
Thank you,
Kara
Additional test on other bowl with Stay-Up float and aluminum needle: static mechanical level .080" below lip--with fuel on jig the fuel comes up to almost the same height--perhaps .020" lower , but still really high. Now--I tried bending the stainless tangs on the float to lower the fuel level and I got it down, but the geometry seems off and there is almost no allowable movement in the needle. As fuel comes in the needle is tapping like its close to shutting off. It did shut off at an OK level, but there is very little range in either the float or the needle and this does not inspire confidence. The old style float has a generous range of movement and yet rises to the correct level. And the needle does not hammer until near shutoff. I am coming to the conclusion that bending the tangs on the Stay-Up does not really work well and that Amal changed the buoyancy of the new floats and did not do anything to compensate for the change in geometry that this creates.

Why are there no pics of this setup?
 
Hi Kara,
I read your earlier posts about running a bit rich on the Amal Premier carbs. I have a similar issue. I have a 850 mk3 commando with peashooters and exhaust pipes without the balance pipe (plastic foam air filter/plastic housing). The plugs had that same dark chocolate deposit that you noted and seemed a bit too rich. I'm in the process of trying a 250 main jet to see if that is any better.
Did you fix the issue on your bike and if so how?

The tangs on the stay-up floats are a pain to adjust! Amal recommend bending the bit of tang that moves the float valve. Bending the bit that enters the float body tends not to stay bent!
I did get an Amal fuel level drain plug adaptor which helps with checking the carbs on the bike.
All the best, Nick.
 
Hi everybody,

I had this one side cold sooty misfire crap last year. Didn‘t manage to find the cause but eliminated a lot of possibles.
Today got back to it. Swapped float bowls, no difference then knock on wood I think I got it. Replaced the left #19 pilot jet with a brand new one. Bingo. Strong even idle both sides.
My authentic throwback 70‘s Brit bike experience: grovelling around on a concrete floor, blood, the works. Just don‘t remember the joint pains, memory must be going.
Anyway gave it an extra polish for Ross Thompson, great work Maestro

Have a great Easter,

Martin
 

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