75 Mark III refurb/mod project

grandpaul said:

Remember that what you want on installation is for the loose inner race lips to fit up to the crank, so the crank can be removed without struggling. Simply use a bearing splitter to remove them from the crank in the future.

I have pulled apart cases where one or both bearings were installed backwards and it was a major pain to free the crank from the cases after splitting them (also with much effort)

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I think you may have misunderstood byrdman76's question?

As I believe what byrdman76 wanted to know was why your photo apparently shows the OUTER races fitted in the cases the oppsite way around to each other?

I wasn't paying attention, but these have markings on both sides of the inner and outer, and I lost track. Still mounted them up with the lipped inner races mated to the crank cheeks, and the loose lips to the outside. I don't believe it will be an issue in operation at all.

grandpaul said:

I wasn't paying attention, but these have markings on both sides of the inner and outer, and I lost track. Still mounted them up with the lipped inner races mated to the crank cheeks, and the loose lips to the outside. I don't believe it will be an issue in operation at all.

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yikes. believing or knowing, which would you trust at 100+mph?

Polished yokes arrived today, now I'm anxiously awaiting the second swingarm to finally build the monoshock arm system.

sns said:

yikes. believing or knowing, which would you trust at 100+mph?

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Turns out the manufacturer states it's not an issue beyond ease of removal; they are not direction specific / sensitive.

FINALLY received the second Mark III swingarm to build the monoshock swingarm with-



The rubber boots on these isolastics are almost new, which is good because the ones on the bike are hard and torn-



Sent off the hubs to Buchanan's for lacing up to the new Excel amuinum rims-



Everything else is here to get busy and assemble the engine. Just need to complete the swingarm installation, then tranny, then engine in frame.

sns said:

Are there any other proprietors /dealers/manufactures/mechanics in this forum posting their projects non-stop? The bike contest that has little to do with this forum at best, the link to this bike contest and more importantly the link to one's business, does that not constitute advertising?

Specifically, is this form of indirect advertising approved by site owner Jerry Doe?


Please bear in mind that if an individual without ulterior business motives and links in his or her signature were posting these projects, I would not be compelled to express my distaste here. Quite the contrary.

If this site is paid for by certain members that run their indirect business adverts via "project" threads, then that is another story.

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If Jerry had a problem with these posts they would have been gone a long time ago.

I recommend that if you have an issue you can PM both Jerry and LAB.

sns said:

Perhaps Jerry has not seen this type of behavior from another point of view. Things do change. Sometimes for the worse. Sometimes for the better. Just because this behavior has gone on a long time don't make it right.


Perhaps Jerry will perceive this behavior in another light. And perhaps this thread will too go the way of the other suspect thread, which did take all of 3 pages to be justly sent to oblivion.

More importantly, does Jerry stand by this proprietor and his business, whether as paying forum sponsor or indirect advertiser? I have not see this proprietor in Jerry's Links section nor have I seen express advertising here in any manner. I personally know several professional mechanics who frequent and contribute to this site and they have never displayed this type of behavior.

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I don't know Jerry's stance on this but there are always links to businesses web sites freely posted here. Born Again Bikes (BAB) threads were one of THE things that drew me into to this site when I came across it a year ago. BAB's has always encouraged others to do likewise so I know the proprietor, Paul would enjoy it if some of us also helped carry the torch. It seems to me there were some stats done on different threads and BAB's were among the highest read. We want more of this type of content so please tell your mechanic friends to post their projects asap! Share their trials and tribulations for all to see, we'll eat it up!

I think a lot of us enjoy a well done build thread since we have a great mix of folks here, from beginners to old timers, with all levels of skill sets. I have learned and relearned a lot from threads like this. I have also not rebuilt a Norton since the 70s and I have not only forgotten most of what I knew, I've also mixed in other bikes and equipment I've worked on in the past. I seem to recall somebody asking about removing a swing arm and I told them how to do a BMW in error, until corrected of course by forum members.
Stuff I've learned here just helped us put right Fanco's Norton in short order. Which by the way I wish he'd post since it is now a pretty bike.

Personally, I appreciate every posting that GrandPaul puts up, and not just his build posts. He contributes to many members' posts, freely sharing his experience and offering guidance and encouragement when he can -- and he has never made any disrepectful comments about any member.

As for the build posts, I particularly enjoy them and I hope that sns does not discourage GrandPaul from continuing. I like seeing how others go about the build process, and I don't care if the builder isn't the bike owner. Moreover, Grandpaul STARTED the practice of detailed postings with lots of photos on this forum, and EVERY ONE of us has benefitted.

I found this forum years back, and although I rarely post, I've read every posting on this forum. Without contributors like GrandPaul, this forum would be greatly diminished.

-wgm

sns said:

I do not believe we have experienced any whining to date, but that doesn't mean it won't degrade into that. And a good build thread is certainly a good thing but what if you were to follow one with glaring mistakes and omissions and that resulted in something unfortunate in your personal build?

Take the bearing orientation as both a case in point and evidence of a less than ideal attention to detail. And then the man comes back after the fact, after the mistake, and justifies the bad work based on the manual (a 50/50 chance of mistake that didn't become an issue....this time). Does that represent a "well done" build thread to you? Irrespective of the indirect advertising.

And just because something is popular or followed don't make it good. Or right(eous).

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That's the beauty of this site, very little profanity or bashing and if we make a mistake others are quick to politely correct us. None of us profess to know it all but we stick our necks out on occasion to answer someone's query sometimes be it with an educated guess rather than known facts in order to offer info in a timely manner. This type of response gets built on by others until hopefully the thread contains some valuable info. Here's an example where I stuck my neck out and described how to tell superblends from the old ball bearings. I haven't done much wrenching for the past 25 years so I was going by memory and gave a fairly vague answer which several others soon elaborated on to end up with some very precise info. (thanks guys for not dissing me on that one!)

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Re the bearings, I didn't go back and read the thread but if they are new and the flanges were toward the crank it shouldn't matter that critically how the roller assembly faces other than keeping a routine that every one follows so upon re-assembly when it will matter (once they are used) there is a rule. I always code mine with a felt pen when I disassemble. At any rate when any of us disagree with a procedure on a thread we should contribute our opinion, belief or knowledge to the thread no matter how old the thread is.

That said I can understand your pov on the contest thread specially if you hadn't seen a lot of Paul's threads before but I'm not sure if he didn't start that 2009 contest in the 1st place or at least be quite involved in the roots of the thing so I can see why he melded in with the other bit (and not realizing the liberties he was taking). Anyway I understand it's gone now and for what ever reason doesn't matter. The more you are on this site the more you will see he's not all about ringing his own chain and he contributes countless hours here.

sns said:

Are there any other proprietors /dealers/manufactures/mechanics in this forum posting their projects non-stop? The bike contest that has little to do with this forum at best, the link to this bike contest and more importantly the link to one's business, does that not constitute advertising?

Specifically, is this form of indirect advertising approved by site owner Jerry Doe?


Please bear in mind that if an individual without ulterior business motives and links in his or her signature were posting these projects, I would not be compelled to express my distaste here. Quite the contrary.

If this site is paid for by certain members that run their indirect business adverts via "project" threads, then that is another story.

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Got a problem or question about the board? Start a new thread. Why clog up Grandpaul's build thread with questions unrelated to HIS BUILD THREAD.

For what it's worth, in the final assembly, the order of installation of bearings was:

(Starting from crank cheek) inner lipped race, main bearing assy, outer "loose" lip. (both sides)

The significance of this, is that the crank can be slipped free from either or both case halves without tools or effort; that's the whole reason for the bearing's 3-part design.

Time to take this up with the forum owner, and stop trashing a thread many of us enjoy. It's poor manners to hi-jack someone's thread just so you can attack them.

Ken

Jerry is aware of it and will deal with it accordingly.

As a newcomer to the Forum I think the various build threads (all of them) are fabulous. I take my hat off to anyone organised enough to take a photgraphic record of their build, and then gracious enough to share it with others. As for grandpaul's builds, I think they're great - particularly the deviations from standard (monoshocks, late model front ends etc) - very liberating. I'd love to see similar build stories from Colorado Norton Works.

I have just seen this- see my comments below:

Are there any other proprietors /dealers/manufactures/mechanics in this forum posting their projects non-stop? The bike contest that has little to do with this forum at best, the link to this bike contest and more importantly the link to one's business, does that not constitute advertising?

Specifically, is this form of indirect advertising approved by site owner Jerry Doe?

Please bear in mind that if an individual without ulterior business motives and links in his or her signature were posting these projects, I would not be compelled to express my distaste here. Quite the contrary.

If this site is paid for by certain members that run their indirect business adverts via "project" threads, then that is another story.

-- For the record -as far as I am concerned Paul or anyone else can promote their services here. So long as it is helping keep these classics on the road and not defacing my forum I am OK with it. Paul has been a long time member and is well respected here. Did it occur to you that maybe it would have been better to ask me what my policy is instead of guess and post what you think is best :?:

Jerry

Just for the record I read this forum and post here because it is the best one I've seen, I learn much more than any other one I've run in to. Besides, I found out my old compadre lonesome George posts here now and again.
GP's threads have been highly informative to me.

I've said my peace and exposed the general shoddiness of this member, to my satisfaction as well as those members that have been kind enough to PM me in support of this.

This is your forum Jerry and as such I respectfully abide by your position and approval of this member.

I will no longer comment on these certain threads.