Not that I was ever a fan....

THE MARXIST TACTIC IS TO TAKE BEDROOM ACTIVITY AND PUT IT:

IN SCHOOLS
ON BEER CANS
IN CHURCHES
IN POLICE FORCES
ON TV ADS
ON FAKE NEWS
IN THE MILITARY
IN POLITICS
IN LIBRARIES
IN THE WORK PLACE
IN GOVERNMENT JOBS
IN HOUSING
ON FOOD LABELS
IN HOLLYWOOD

ITS ALL ABOUT CREATING CHAOS AND MAKING SOCIETY WEAK & CONFUSED..
 
THE MARXIST TACTIC IS TO TAKE BEDROOM ACTIVITY AND PUT IT:

IN SCHOOLS
ON BEER CANS
IN CHURCHES
IN POLICE FORCES
ON TV ADS
ON FAKE NEWS
IN THE MILITARY
IN POLITICS
IN LIBRARIES
IN THE WORK PLACE
IN GOVERNMENT JOBS
IN HOUSING
ON FOOD LABELS
IN HOLLYWOOD

ITS ALL ABOUT CREATING CHAOS AND MAKING SOCIETY WEAK & CONFUSED..

 

Don't feed the troll.
 
Don't feed the troll.
Got to gortnipper - The standard you walk past is the standard you accept ( D.Morrison). The idea is to tease them out of the rabbit hole to fully explain their belief system; difficult task. Until then it will just be many individual theories that in of themselves can probably be ignored as ‘quackery’, as most here do. It’s not until you have read into the Great Reset conspiracy theory or that of QAnon (and others associated), that you come to fully understand how dangerous disinformation can become.

If you read about these theories in their entirety, you really can see the absurdity in stark relief. Once out in the open the theories can be exposed for what they are - the (very) occasional series of truths/half truths woven into a completely false narrative for the benefit of interested parties and the consumption of the easily influenced.

The problem for me is who pays the price - and whether you have ‘skin in the game’. It’s never the theorists that pay the price, it’s the guy in uniform put there by authority who pays. Ask the families of those lost on Jan 6 (following the recent court decision) how they feel about conspiracy theories.

I usually ignore this sort of stuff as any sane person would, for reasons you allude to above, but when you get slapped in the face with it on a website dedicated to your favourite motorcycle marque - well, how much can a Koala bear!:rolleyes:

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The brewer of the beer I choose to drink decided it was a good idea to go all pink and purple in celebration of the recent Sydney gay mardi gras.
After buying my second carton of the beer with altered packaging I sent them the following...

I have been drinking your pale ale for some years but now find myself unhappy with your latest advertising gimmick.
I voted "yes" for the same sex marriage vote as I believe in live and let live.
I don't advertise my sexuality so why do you find it necessary to ram other's choices down my throat?
You obviously learned nothing from the Manly (NRL) jersey fiasco.
I will go back to drinking one of the brands I used to drink - they seem to understand they are a beer maker.
Next time I feel the need to engage a woke inclusivity marketing agency I'll look you up.
Until then...
Goodbye

The Manly (rugby league) saga is where team management decided it would be a good idea for the players to wear pink "gay pride" jerseys.
Did not discuss with players and it did not go down well - actually did not happen.

Cheers
Not that I was ever a fan....
 
Got to gortnipper - The standard you walk past is the standard you accept ( D.Morrison). The idea is to tease them out of the rabbit hole to fully explain their belief system; difficult task. Until then it will just be many individual theories that in of themselves can probably be ignored as ‘quackery’, as most here do. It’s not until you have read into the Great Reset conspiracy theory or that of QAnon (and others associated), that you come to fully understand how dangerous disinformation can become.

If you read about these theories in their entirety, you really can see the absurdity in stark relief. Once out in the open the theories can be exposed for what they are - the (very) occasional series of truths/half truths woven into a completely false narrative for the benefit of interested parties and the consumption of the easily influenced.

The problem for me is who pays the price - and whether you have ‘skin in the game’. It’s never the theorists that pay the price, it’s the guy in uniform put there by authority who pays. Ask the families of those lost on Jan 6 (following the recent court decision) how they feel about conspiracy theories.

I usually ignore this sort of stuff as any sane person would, for reasons you allude to above, but when you get slapped in the face with it on a website dedicated to your favourite motorcycle marque - well, how much can a Koala bear!:rolleyes:

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Yet another bit of verbal authority and oversight on what happened Jan. 6th in my nations capital.
I also noted that was the only example you chose, partisan as it is, to note your expertise regarding conspiracy theories and their influence.

You did however offer an excellent overview of how mainstream media conducts itself in reporting to the public and its abandonment of honest journalistic principles. That source is always noting what works best for its own agenda, not the publics while it regurgitates its convoluted stories based on social and political preference.
Always adhering to which story will generate the most income.

Follow the money, its not as high and mighty and full of integrity as you allude to.
Be it print or broadcast.

As you "write" to the rescue ("got to Gortnipper") of so many of us from the sort of stuff any sane person would ignore, why Jan. 6th was the one and only reaction you noted?
Could it possibly be a personal political stance? There are a lot of people in uniform who end up "paying". I cite defund the police or black lives matter as just two of so many examples based on your response of "it's the guy in uniform put there by authority who pays".
If you are trying not to get slapped in the face on a motorcycle site (poor guy) stop pontificating your judgements upon the other participants or simply stay out of the bar
 
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THE MARXIST MADNESS CONTINUES....


A statue of a naked, bearded man breastfeeding a baby has been placed outside the former Women’s Museum in Denmark.​

 

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Got to gortnipper - The standard you walk past is the standard you accept ( D.Morrison). The idea is to tease them out of the rabbit hole to fully explain their belief system; difficult task. Until then it will just be many individual theories that in of themselves can probably be ignored as ‘quackery’, as most here do. It’s not until you have read into the Great Reset conspiracy theory or that of QAnon (and others associated), that you come to fully understand how dangerous disinformation can become.
Much like trying to explain how things like critical race theory, the 1619 project, "sensible gun control" and any of the other bullshyte ideas that are being pushed as legitimate normal beliefs? This does nothing but widen the divide. I think the rabbits been out of his hole spreading disinformation for a long time.
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Yet another bit of verbal authority and oversight on what happened Jan. 6th in my nations capital.
I also noted that was the only example you chose, partisan as it is, to note your expertise regarding conspiracy theories and their influence.

You did however offer an excellent overview of how mainstream media conducts itself in reporting to the public and its abandonment of honest journalistic principles. That source is always noting what works best for its own agenda, not the publics while it regurgitates its convoluted stories based on social and political preference.
Always adhering to which story will generate the most income.

Follow the money, its not as high and mighty and full of integrity as you allude to.
Be it print or broadcast.

As you "write" to the rescue ("got to Gortnipper") of so many of us from the sort of stuff any sane person would ignore, why Jan. 6th was the one and only reaction you noted?
Could it possibly be a personal political stance? There are a lot of people in uniform who end up "paying". I cite defund the police or black lives matter as just two of so many examples based on your response of "it's the guy in uniform put there by authority who pays".
If you are trying not to get slapped in the face on a motorcycle site (poor guy) stop pontificating your judgements upon the other participants or simply stay out of the bar
Well put Lineslinger and not without merit, but with respect I would like to wander in and out of the bar as I please (as you do). It’s not a bar really (no security), it’s a forum for discussion and entertainment. I guess that requires multiple parties to include their thoughts, opinions - and yes occasionally ‘judgements’ (guilty as charged sir) as you have done here with my content. I have no problem with that at all - long live free speech, as long as it doesn’t have significant detrimental outcomes. You are also welcome to characterise my exchanges as using my ‘authority‘ ‘expertise’ and ‘oversight’ if it better suits your purposes.

For me, not so much a political stance as a practical ‘actions have consequences’ stance. My firm belief is that the deluge of disinformation in contemporary discourse is as big a threat to our society as any Cold War dictator. Yes of course there is mis/disinformation and corruption in the MSM (always has been), but ‘fringe’ media outlets, issue motivated groups (and individuals) have taken this to beyond extreme.

The truth is now whatever the internet/TV ‘talking head’ says that it is, and we had better check that the talking head is not an AI construct. How did we get to a situation where there is more than one set of facts leading to that ‘truth’? I contend that it is often through orchestrated disinformation; the currency of those wishing to profit (financially or politically) whilst sewing maximum discord and succour for the disenfranchised and/or readily manipulated.

Examples of the harm caused by conspiracy theories is not difficult to find IMO. If you can identify a trusted information source, research ‘are conspiracy theories harmless’ (or similar) - my guess is that you already know the answer. I mention only Jan 6 above for reasons of brevity (not my strong suit) and because the theory was proven false (damages awarded) by a court of law. Some forum members have no trust in the media, government or science. Don’t know whether that mistrust extends to the judicial system.

A personal example I’ve cited before though:

A retired military friend of mine and his new young family were visiting my area (touring by caravan) when the pandemic began. Stuck on the campsite and unable to travel he started reading ‘the news’. I watched as the more he read the more ‘truth’ he was fed (I guess that’s how the algorithms work). No matter if it was possible to definitively prove that a particular nugget of ‘truth’ was in fact false, he was immovable. Until relatively recently, he (and family) were still stranded in the caravan park unable or unwilling to fly home. He (and family) did not vaccinate (personal choice entirely) as he now believes this to be an organised population control measure. He won’t visit a doctor as he does not now trust the profession (they were ‘bought and paid for’ to implement said measure). Won’t put his money in the bank because a faceless cabal of elitists are going to take it and leave him with nothing (although he’d be ‘happy’ apparently). Severe personal, financial and career implications resulted - from (a) the truth, (b) disinformation or (c) somewhere in between?

Without getting political, how can we avoid reference to the pandemic when discussing mis/disinformation and conspiracy theories? Ridiculous 5G implants aside - is it a fair question to ask, how many lives may have been lost because of mis/disinformation? Let’s leave that door closed, or the thread will undoubtedly be.

Interesting chat - from re-branding a beer to conspiracy theories. I like this bar, then again it’s the only one in town.
 
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A net positive for US news coverage methinks, with Tucker Carlson getting the sack (or walking - who knows)!

Anybody that values serious journalism should probably raise a glass! My thoughts only.
 

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He did seem to ask questions that nobody else did

I'm more pleased to see Don Lemon🍋 get sacked from CNN after 17 year's for being a racist A hole...
Tuckers production manager has quit fox also...personally apart from Tucker both of those networks ... Suck big time and so will the Murdoch empire shares...🤣
 
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He did seem to ask questions that nobody else did
Hey Baz,

I guess we’re each responsible for finding news that we can trust - if we are going to rely on it. Carlson, apparently, used to be a respected journalist. Ratings and money (I guess) won out and the rest as they say is history - he would clearly cover any story from the most ‘ratings worthy’ angle possible (as directed no doubt) - the truth be damned. I (very) strongly suspect that he believed only a fraction of what he reported. Ratings = money = fame = (perceived) success = ratings = money………etc!

I’ve spent time in the states and served alongside US troops, so no disrespect intended - but can one of our American friends please tell me how this guy, on that network, became the most popular newsreader on cable TV? Genuine question, the answer to which makes me slightly nervous.
 
Hey Baz,

I guess we’re each responsible for finding news that we can trust - if we are going to rely on it. Carlson, apparently, used to be a respected journalist. Ratings and money (I guess) won out and the rest as they say is history - he would clearly cover any story from the most ‘ratings worthy’ angle possible (as directed no doubt) - the truth be damned. I (very) strongly suspect that he believed only a fraction of what he reported. Ratings = money = fame = (perceived) success = ratings = money………etc!

I’ve spent time in the states and served alongside US troops, so no disrespect intended - but can one of our American friends please tell me how this guy, on that network, became the most popular newsreader on cable TV? Genuine question, the answer to which makes me slightly nervous.
I guess I probably shouldn't comment on this guy
I have only seen a few clips of him on YouTube
He appeared to be asking questions that others wouldn't touch
 
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