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After this recent cold snap my suspicions are proven. The replacement of jets/needles in my 932's now requires choke upon cold start up. I guess I overlooked something in those carbs all through the years. There is no longer a tendency to run on the rich side either, so if I also happen to get longer plug life out of this I'll sacrifice a choice ram on a full moon.
 
Guess the jets/needles had some wear leading to enrichment, sufficient to not require choke.
 
Ain't it the truth. Just toss me in a prickly pear patch and leave me there.
 
The same 932's which came on her in '74... This rebuild and the current performance has again given them a position of high esteem. Maybe next time premiers or wassells when these take a dive, but not as long as they do what they're doing this well.
 
After this recent cold snap my suspicions are proven. The replacement of jets/needles in my 932's now requires choke upon cold start up. I guess I overlooked something in those carbs all through the years. There is no longer a tendency to run on the rich side either, so if I also happen to get longer plug life out of this I'll sacrifice a choice ram on a full moon.
Be quick, it's a full moon in the UK tonight and it's Halloween!!!
 
Which pilot jets are you running?
Not pilot, I was referring to the main jet where the needle passes through. I had one with wear and it gave a stumble/stalling at stop lights it was so bad. They do go out of round with mileage as the needle gets forward/backward in the hole from pressure pulses. My pilots are not removeable...non-premies.
 
Std. for the MK ll ... I think I put .106" & .260" for main & needle jets. It's been a couple of months and that taxes the memory a bit. What came out went back in I do recollect. One thing I did note is the O-rings for the air screws were undersized in the Amal kits.... That did stick in long term memory.
 
Some people say that needle jet and needle wear at about the same rate as the throttle valve. Air leaking bypassing a worn throttle valve compensated by more fuel flow through a worn needle jet.
 
My newer but not Premiers 32's on 828 c.c. run rich side even with new needles all around and jets. No chokes. Any temp below 15 C. is tough. Once she starts up with lots of ticklings I need to touch the ticklers again and she bursts to life from a colder state after that. So I will be re-installing the chokes but it's very cool now and I can't install them on the street cold. My fingers hurt from Stoopid Cdn. cold pre-winter life. Arthritis next. Spring in 5 months. Ice fishing.
 
I thought I'd mention this discovery because the choke was never needed until this recent jet replacement for the old ones looked like new, so left them alone. I replaced them on a lark because of failing performance with them being the final option prior to new carbs. I thought the richness to be a fact of life, and almost tossed those choke slides last time the carbs were down..... Now I find the choke is the only method to get the beast started & running when cold after these many years.... Do you realize how much kicking/swearing/sweating & wondering what was gone wrong this old man went through before using the 'never used' choke lever? It was not a matter of what was wrong, but one of what was now right. I ponder the number of other old fools overlooking the obvious that just roll these machines to the back of the shed to become forgotten bundles of rust because they give up after a bit of adversity.
 
Not all of Canada is in winter. Close to 60 F here in LaLaLand Langley BC today.
Going riding tomorrow, might need mesh jacket.:)

Glen
Glen,
With a good 3-phase system along with LED lights on,can I use my heated jacket liner?
Thanks,Mike
 
That should be no problem Mike.
My heated vest draws 35 watts so I imagine your liner has a similar power draw?
As long as you arent stuck in traffic lineups there should be loads of power available.
I run vest with just the original RM23 and my headlight is a 60/55. I do switch the headlight off if stuck idling in a traffic lineup.
You've got more power and less headlight load, so should be fine.

Glen
 
I thought I'd mention this discovery because the choke was never needed until this recent jet replacement for the old ones looked like new, so left them alone. I replaced them on a lark because of failing performance with them being the final option prior to new carbs. I thought the richness to be a fact of life, and almost tossed those choke slides last time the carbs were down..... Now I find the choke is the only method to get the beast started & running when cold after these many years.... Do you realize how much kicking/swearing/sweating & wondering what was gone wrong this old man went through before using the 'never used' choke lever? It was not a matter of what was wrong, but one of what was now right. I ponder the number of other old fools overlooking the obvious that just roll these machines to the back of the shed to become forgotten bundles of rust because they give up after a bit of adversity.
Well, I’d chalk it up as a success if o were you. I know a lot of us do manage without chokes on old bikes, but really a carbureted engine SHOULD need a choke of some kind if the mixture is close to correct.
 
After this recent cold snap my suspicions are proven. The replacement of jets/needles in my 932's now requires choke upon cold start up. I guess I overlooked something in those carbs all through the years. There is no longer a tendency to run on the rich side either, so if I also happen to get longer plug life out of this I'll sacrifice a choice ram on a full moon.
Curious, what is your air temp and how many turns out on the idle air screw do you have? I replaced intake manifolds and needle jets this summer and now even with choke and tickle the 850 is hard starting. Never was before. Temp here is in the 50's F.
 
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